Posted on 04/27/2006 3:03:34 PM PDT by restornu
Jesus Christ as the Creator of this earth and all things. Jesus Christ is the God of this earth. God the father is our father and creator (spiritually) and is Christ’s father, so he is also a God. The Spirit of God has moved many in the scriptures, and in modern times.
So God the father can be called God, Jesus Christ can be called God, and the Holy Ghost can be called God. They are all members of the Godhead, but I think you knew that already.
So adding “The son of” to clarify what was already there is a change to you? Adding punctuation? Changing a word that meant pure, but now has racist tones is also unacceptable? So I suppose adding verses to the Bible invalidates it for you too. How about punctuation? What of differing translations? We are undrestandably curious about your beliefs too.
I did not attack you ad homonym, or other wise, I merely objected to the equating of Mormons and terrorists, I feel any one in good touch with reality will agree with my objection.
BTW, I hope you and yours are doing well.
BTW I am travelling, and will have spotty access, so slow replies should be expected.
That's funny. Nobody else has ever labeled me as a "bitter, twisted individual" operating "with a grudge against Mormons."
Better find out who's posting under your name.
BTW, assessing "bitter" temperaments and evaluating folks who are operating in "grudge" mode is usually conducted best in "up-close" mode in which you actually know the individual and can weigh a good chunk of the fruit produced by that person.
I find out very spiritually dangerous to start judging folks' inward motivations (even when I know a person better).
It's a bit harder to do from a distance and not recommended for those doing "drive-by" postings--postings that are then picked up as personal-attack ammunition to be wielded by online allies.
Well if you are praying just before you are about to be sent to your death
Just who is Jesus praying to?
a. himself
b. His Father in Heaven
Mark 14: 36
36 And he said, Abba, Father,
all things are possible unto thee;
take away this cup from me:
nevertheless not what I will,
but what thou wilt.
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3 Ne. 11:
11 And behold,
I am the light and the life of the world;
and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me,
and have glorified the Father in taking upon me the sins of the world,
in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning.
b Matt. 26: 39 (36-46).
39 And he went a little further,
and fell on his face,
and prayed, saying,
O my Father,
if it be possible,
let this cup pass from me:
nevertheless not as I will,
but as thou wilt.
D&C 19: 17 (13-20).
17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;
http://scriptures.lds.org/mark/14/36a
excuse me you just impugn me in the same breath!
even though that is what you asked us Christians to do.
I have never asked Christians NO such things I have many Christian friends here and we get along just find!
What I have asked is those who repeat the same talking points each time they see the word Mormon/LDS?
You been here since 2004 I been here since 2000 and it is the same people, same questions truly very few of my thoughts are exclusively about you!
To say I post devotionals only to avoid rebuttal the very post you are on is not devotional CC it is open there is a differents I hope you recognized that in the future.
Have to go pick up the kids now. You have a good day.
>>Christ IS our Contemporary, Living Prophet and Living Revelation!
>>While He may choose to send forth mouthpieces on His behalf, they are
>>like undershepherds of the Chief Shepherd. We have no lack of a Living Prophet.
>>No mere mortal usurps His place on the Prophetic Throne. He is still Prophet,
>>High Priest and King as the prophets of old foretold!
So when is the last time you heard of anyone who spoke to god "face to face" as is recorded in the bible?
Two examples:
Gen 32:30 http://scriptures.lds.org/gen/32/30#30
Ex. 33:11 http://scriptures.lds.org/ex/33/11#11
I got more, but these two will suffice to make my point, god has always had the ability to talk to man "Face to Face.
Why (if he does not change) would he not do so now?
"Undershepards" Well, not exactly the way I would say it, but yes, Prophets work under and with Christ, having been appointed, and set apart by his authority. They are then to reveal his word as directed by him. Not all are worthy to receive revelation directly from God, and many would not survive the attempt. (I am one who does not feel worthy for the communication I do have, so I know what I am talking about here) So Jesus Christ uses righteous men to go where he would have no choice but to destroy (by his very presence) those he wants to communicate with.
This is a perfect system, as it helps both the messenger to grow in service and the message is delivered, as intended.
So lets ask this a different way, why (logically) would God stop using prophets?
The problem: archaeological evidence on the ground (again, please pardon the phrase) does not support the notion that any advanced culture (advanced architecture, etc.) ever extended as far north as the hill now known as Cumorah in New York in Precolumbian times.
Even wars, storms, and earthquakes as cataclysmic as that described by the Book of Mormon would've left some spectacular ruins near Cumorah, and they would've been found by now.
So where are they?
So, you're basically telling us that if Frosty the Snowman started to simultaneously melt into dripping water & give off vapors of steam that there is absolutely no distinctiveness between those vapors & Frosty, or no distinctiveness between the dripping water & frosty? Wherever that dripping water goes, there goes Frosty downstream. And whatever cloud that vapor goes into, there goes Frosty...storming down upon us later on.
The analogy is simple, but yet doesn't even begin to reflect the profound complexity of a God who communicates with Himself: Snow is water; vapor is water; water is water. All one nature; yet revealed in distinctly presentable forms.
Basically, what you're telling us is that you believe in an ultimate God (prior to any other gods and any angels & any men) who was utterly alone. Love always has a subject and an object. If God is Love, He has always been loving. If the Original, Ultimate God from eternity had no on-par part of Himself to love, then there was a time in which He wasn't Love. That, is an impossibility.
God is Love. He has always been relational. If a man and wife can be 2-in-1, and if that reflects who God is, then why can't God be 3-in-1? Why do you believe in a God who is less unified with His fellow divine personalities than a man and wife is in marriage?
Finally, LDS can't even conclude who they should pray to based upon their own sacred Scriptures. LDS say they pray to Father alone; yet the Book of Mormon is replete w/numerous references to Nephite disciples who were praying directly to Jesus. [You can't go back into those verses and add into the margin that they were praying to Father through Jesus. Those Book of Mormon verses clearly do not say any such thing].
>> I was one once, remember.
Interesting, I don’t believe you mentioned that to me in our prior discussions, but it does explain a lot.
>>You are posting these "devotionals" as a protected way to "get your message out" without allowing for rebuttal.
So no one should be able to say anything positive about their religion without rebuttal? Got it.
>>For those of us who believe you are portraying an inaccurate picture, and possibly causing Christians to fall away,
>>it is our responsibility to confront these claims of the LDS head on.
And why don’t we just have a one time thread, get it all out in the open, vent your spleen so to speak, and then you can just post to these threads with a link?
>>As long as you keep posting your point of view, I will keep rebutting it.
Consistency, it’s a good thing, usually.
>>I believe it is something God has called me to do....just as LDS believe they need to proselyte to, and convert all of us.
We were told by a prophet (even if you just believe he is a man) to prosolyte. Who asked you to do this? Is there a possibility you are mistaken? How do you know its *your* job to protect the world from Mormons, we are not so bad, you aren’t a bad person, and you used to be one of us.
Maybe he was like Edgar Cayce?
You can rebutt my devotional,
but I would never think of rebuttal
to the Daily Reflection
Daily Mass even the
Calvinist devotional etc.
Should I read things there that are contrary to my thougths it would be disrespectful to another voice! Also I feel it is best I mind my own business!
It you would check the thread count you would see ourside of those on the ping list, the viewership does not attract non members yet it does get hits from anti but not from regular Christians.
BTW you are doing us a favor CC by draging us to an open forum we get more viewers that you never hear from but we do in freepmail so thank you!:)
An I know that my Heavely Father would be disapointed in my actions!
There are some similarities between Joseph Smith and Edgar Cayce. Cayce, too, was uneducated, etc. And Cayce produced voluminous amounts of transcription. Many odd predictions, amalgams of stories, etc. Smith's prodigy isn't unheard of.
http://skepdic.com/cayce.html
An I know that my Heavely Father would be disapointed in my actions!
I'm sure you meant "would not be disappointed." And I'm sure you're right. Your Heavenly Father loves you.
I can't help but love you even thought you can be a heart breaker!
(1) Jesus said, "if you have seen me, you have seen the Father" (John 14:9). You don't need to go back to the OT for face-to-face encounters. Go also to the Book of Acts, where the resurrected Jesus appeared to Paul.
(2) Has Jesus appeared to others since then? I have no doubt He has. But you won't find it in a document like the D&C that reduces the "New Testament" into a "No Testament." The problem w/the D&C is that it's not noble. The Bereans were noble. They filtered the New Revelation by searching the old revelation to "see if what was said was true" (Acts 17:11). LDS turn that on its head, putting the old revelation through the grid of the new revelation. And they do that by adding the "veto phrase" - "insofar as correctly translated" -- and then using that as a trump card whenever it contradicts the newer revelation. Therefore, the Bible is relegated to secondary status.
(3) The problem w/the theology of a Resident King Prophet on earth that bumps Jesus out of the way is that the authority eminating from Commissioner Jesus is a more "on-the-go" thrust. In other words, since Jesus is now operating on a New Testament Covenant of a world-wide kingdom and is no longer strategically operating through a distinct people group like the Jews alone, "sent-ones" (apostles) are vital. LDS try to model an Old Testament focus where there is a stationary "House of the Lord" (temples) instead of realizing that people themselves are the temples of the Holy Spirit. [Note also the heavy "Zion" theme where the big base is Utah). LDS try to model an OT focus where there is a stationary "go-to" prophet instead of "on-the-go" apostles and disciples (Mt 28) who are led by the "Sent-One" Holy Spirit (John 16).
(4) LDS underplay the equivalency of the daily "face to face" interaction between the Holy Spirit and those He resides in. I'm sorry, but you can't get any more intimate than a Holy Spirit who is in no way confined to so-called living prophets, but resides in everyone who is in Christ!
(5) As for your alleged "face to face" prophets, how many revelations have been added to the D&C these past 110 years by your living prophets? Has it neared double-figures yet? If the LDS god is the equivalent of a living, active, dynamic volcano, why no evident lava flow equivalency of Scripture coming out of the depth? Why has the mountain been so silent? Name 3 to 4 vital revelations off the top of your head given by God through your living prophet?
I think one should be able to say any positive or negative thing they want. On Sunday, I tried to ask Restornu what she meant when she said something about "things that were removed from the New Testament." I wouldn't say that was exactly a positive thing to say....in fact I would say it is a direct attack on my religious beliefs.
I would hope you could recognize my desire to rebut her point....also her thread contained reference to Christ being "appointed" Savior. At that point P-Marlowe tried to question her about the "appointment." Mod told us questions are not allowed on a devotional thread.
Hence I posted her article so that we Christians could point out what we saw as errors in the suppositions of the thread.
Interesting, I don’t believe you mentioned that to me in our prior discussions, but it does explain a lot.
I've never tried to hide it. In fact I've been very vocal about it on FR. You aren't passing judgement on me, now are you? ;-)
Would you like me to continue pinging you when I mention you in a post?
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