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All religions are not equal
The Citizen ^ | Ap 24 05 | Fr. David Epp

Posted on 04/25/2006 8:04:00 AM PDT by churchillbuff

From time to time, some people will suggest that all the world’s religions are of equal value and accomplish the same end. “All roads lead to God,” these folks say. “Whatever name you call him (or her), it’s still the same God,” others proclaim.

I am not among these people. I do not believe that all religions are of equal value, though there is value in most forms of religion, and I do not believe they accomplish the same end. Neither do I believe that, whatever name is used, all names for God refer to the same God.

As an historic, orthodox Christian, I believe that Jesus Christ was telling the truth when he said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6 NIV).

This, of course, is a scandalous statement. Either Jesus was deluded and should be denounced as a madman or he was speaking the truth.

If he was deluded, then Christianity is a farce and 1.5 billion people are ensnared in false hope.

If he spoke the truth, however, then all religions are not of equal value.

Religious pluralism says that “there are many, many ways to God and all of these ways are good.”

But Jesus claimed that he was the way. Not just that his teachings were the way but that he himself was the way to the Father. Not only that, he claimed that, outside of him, there was no other way.

Further, he claimed not only that he taught truth but that he was the truth.

Certainly, all religious faiths contain truth, but Jesus claimed that all truth regarding spiritual matters was found in his own person. If he is the repository of truth and if truth cannot be found outside him, then other religions contain error. And, if one is seeking God, then error can lead one away from, rather than toward, God.

Jesus also declared that he was the life. Much of religion is a search for fullness of life on the earth and a quest for any life that may exist beyond this temporal plane.

In addressing this first consideration, Jesus said, “I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10 KJV). The reason he came at all was to bring a quality of life never before known or experienced. He also came to insure eternal life for those who would believe and put their trust in him.

As John 3:16-17 states: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved” (NKJV).

But the claim to exclusivity is found in his words, “No one comes to the Father except through me.” That means that the way, the only way, to God is in a relationship with Jesus Christ.

That is offensive and repugnant to some, but it is still what he claimed. If there is a “Plan B,” it is not found in the scriptures.

Christianity makes for itself the claim that the only true path to finding one’s destiny, one’s ultimate plan, in fact the only path to God the Father, is found in Christ.

“So,” someone will ask, “are you saying that Christianity is the only true faith and that all others are wrong?”

That is, in fact, the claim of historic, orthodox Christianity. Christians believe that all that God began in the Book of Genesis and continued in the books of the Old Testament was brought to consummation in the person of Jesus Christ.

Scandalous? Yes. Absurd? So it may seem. Outrageous? Many think so.

A number of years ago, I was looking for a small town in Colorado and became lost. I stopped and asked directions of a man who owned a filling station. The directions he gave described a curvy and treacherous trek over some mountains. I asked if there was a shorter or safer way to get there. “Nope,” he said, “there’s only one way to get there from here.”

The New Living Translation puts it this way: “For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved” (Romans 10:9-10).

It’s the only way to get there from here.


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To: nickcarraway
No, Fr. Feeney was actually excommunicated for disobedience. He was summoned to Rome to meet with Pope Pius XII, and he continually refused, so he was excommunicated for disobedience, not the things he taught.

That's not a particularly strong argument for Feeneyism.

If the things he taught led to his outright refusal to obey the Vicar of Christ, what does that say about the things he taught?

SD

41 posted on 04/25/2006 10:19:10 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: mel; Gamecock
...what kind of God would put that person in hell because that person simply lived in a remote area.

The question is often asked (I'm not saying you are doing this) as if to put God on trial. How could a just God condemn people to eternal punishment merely for their lack of knowledge of God? The answer is that they are not sent to hell for their ignorance of God, but for their sins. That is, they already have enough knowledge of God to be justly and righteously held accountable by Him for their rebellion against Him. See Romans 1-3.

Cordially,

42 posted on 04/25/2006 10:20:13 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: SoothingDave

I wasn't saying that to imply that Fr. Feeney's teachings were not a problem, I was just saying that in the interest of complete accuracy. The sad part is it can be a confusing issue, and he didn't take the opportunity to speal with the Holy Father. The fact is the Baltimore Cathechism, The Council of Trent, St. Thomas Aquinas, etc. spoke clearly on this issue.


43 posted on 04/25/2006 10:25:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Diamond; mel; Gamecock; ClaireSolt
The question is often asked (I'm not saying you are doing this) as if to put God on trial. How could a just God condemn people to eternal punishment merely for their lack of knowledge of God? The answer is that they are not sent to hell for their ignorance of God, but for their sins. That is, they already have enough knowledge of God to be justly and righteously held accountable by Him for their rebellion against Him. See Romans 1-3.

Perfect response, Diamond. Nice to see you again. 8~)

44 posted on 04/25/2006 10:30:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Kaylee Frye

please check into the many trips of St. Francis Xavier to India. Could it have spread from someone, say that heard St. Francis Xavier, and then went back to his/her remote village and talked with relatives there?

In my opinion, that would still be the work of the missionary or evangelist. Wouldn't you agree?


45 posted on 04/25/2006 10:58:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Jaded

Yes, I know what you mean. Have you ever seen a map of the journeys of the apostles? They went everywhere in the known world at that time -- even all the way up to England.


46 posted on 04/25/2006 11:00:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Excellent point. I forgot that! Thanks.


47 posted on 04/25/2006 11:01:27 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: frogjerk
I believe the guy was an observant Jew I don't think an observant Jew would say the following:

John 8:58. Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham was made, I AM.

You don't believe Jesus was an observant Jew? Dude, most of your friends on FR would disagree with you.

I believe the guy was an observant Jew and later writers, redactors and interpolaters made him into the man-god figure. So its not him that's necessarily the madman. Its the pointy hats that came after him.

Based on what evidence.?

Dueteronomy 13.

48 posted on 04/25/2006 11:02:25 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Say what?

At one time or another we all speak in metaphors?


49 posted on 04/25/2006 11:04:14 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: brytlea
Why would the apostles (the people who really should have known the truth, whatever it was) die martyrs deaths (all, or at least a majority of them) if He didn't say those things? When I was searching for the truth, that was the clincher for me. These people were willing to die for this. They were there when it all took place. They would have known if it was not true.

We live in a cruel world. Religious persecution and wars constantly. Suicide bombers die all the time. Should I embrace their philosophy?

However, nothing anyone says will convince you of anything. It's really between you and God. God Bless and good luck. susie

Yup. Christian for 30 years and I became unconvinced.

50 posted on 04/25/2006 11:05:40 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Salvation
At one time or another we all speak in metaphors?

Thanx for making my point.

51 posted on 04/25/2006 11:06:15 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Salvation

went back and looked at my original response. "Can" should have been "can't". sorry.


52 posted on 04/25/2006 11:08:06 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Well, I will pray for you! :)
susie


53 posted on 04/25/2006 11:11:01 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: mel
If you'd like to see what the Catholic Church teaches about Baptism of Desire, it's here (the numbers are paragraph numbers from the Catechism of the Catholic Church):

1257 "...God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.

1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery." Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity."

To get a fuller idea, it's best to read this in context:

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm#1259

54 posted on 04/25/2006 11:13:41 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Blessed are the Merciful, for they shall obtain Mercy.")
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; klossg

Thanks for clarifying, especially for klossg


55 posted on 04/25/2006 11:14:29 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Invincibly Ignorant,

You say those quotes in post #25 are metaphors. Then it is too bad you weren't there to explain that for Jesus when he was accused and crucified. Or someone else. Funny how a little misunderstanding around a metaphor leads to a violent death. Funny that Jesus did not reexplain himself when people turned their backs on him and clarify the metaphorical nature of his teachings.

And I know you are very aware that Christians do not follow Jesus metaphorically but as God. Else, you would have no reason to ask the "why only those two options" question. Are you the only sane one? That is one of the proofs of insanity. :)

You do jest, right? I knew it. I knew it. I knew it.

Else you are just stubborn and refuse to see that Jesus actually believed he was God and his followers wrote this down and still preach the same. Jesus said he was God! If you think Christ just another teacher ... then you have very low standards for wise teachers in history (i.e. Plato, Confucius ...). Because anyone with a little intelligence sees that Jesus claims to be God's son. And by your short, well written replies, everyone can see you are not easily taken in.

I ask you then if you still hold that he is not God or a madman to, what is your understanding of Jesus and why do you say so?
56 posted on 04/25/2006 11:17:47 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: frogjerk
"Absolutely, Jesus is no normal "man". "

Absolutely, Jesus was the Christ, God's only son! He is both God and man. He rose on the 3rd day and saved our skins.
57 posted on 04/25/2006 11:21:47 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
"Yup. Christian for 30 years and I became unconvinced. "

You are the best kind of nonbeliever. I tip my hat to you because you have really looked! Someone with 30 years in, has really thought about it and you are not going along just out of habit - that is good, there is much substance in that stance. You are not luck warm! Luke warm is no good. Keep up the good work and peace be with you. Any time you want to come back, just watch out for the jerky Christians. Jerky Christians can be some of the worst Jerks in the world. I should know. I have been a jerky Christian in the past. Sorry about the sins of any Christians that have pushed you away.
I'm sure you have read C.S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity." It takes Christianity to the brass tacks. I recently read it and it isn't this high falutin' Christianity that pretends to be all in all or perfect in any sense. It shows Christianity as the frail thing it is - full of the best and worst of humanity. If you haven't read it, I think you owe it to your moniker to read it - other wise I don't think you can truly call yourself "Invincible!"
58 posted on 04/25/2006 11:42:11 AM PDT by klossg (GK - God is good!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks, I will do that.


59 posted on 04/25/2006 11:43:10 AM PDT by mel
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To: Kaylee Frye

Wow that is interesting


60 posted on 04/25/2006 11:44:17 AM PDT by mel
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