Posted on 04/23/2006 1:54:16 PM PDT by NYer
It's time Pope Benedict XVI pulls Martini's red hat or silences him forever.
Abortion is murder. Period.
wow. antiChrist alert. if this guy ever does become Pope....
A few abortions are good for society?
He's older than the pope. Out of the picture now, that is why he is popping off. Of course, in a sense, he is an anti-pope. He has a large following among liberal Catholics.
And the media! A google search on the word "vatican" reveals several mainstream news services now reporting that the Vatican has approved the use of condoms to combat AIDS. This is why Martini needs to be silenced for good!
I suppose he has understudies...
What is happening with this guy? I am totally flabberghasted!
Why Pascal is one of my favorite philosophers. What he would do with this Jebbie 's remarks!
The good Cardinal is in deep trouble theologically as well as politically.
From Rorate Caeli Blogspot, Saturday, April 22, 2006.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2006/04/temptation-of-church-reading-between.html
Saturday, April 22, 2006
The Temptation of the Church: reading between the lines
No difficulty can arise that justifies the putting aside of the law of God which forbids all acts intrinsically evil. (Casti Connubii, 61)
Furthermore, an intention is good when it has as its aim the true good of the person in view of his ultimate end. But acts whose object is "not capable of being ordered" to God and "unworthy of the human person" are always and in every case in conflict with that good. Consequently, respect for norms which prohibit such acts and oblige semper et pro semper, that is, without any exception, not only does not inhibit a good intention, but actually represents its basic expression. (Veritatis Splendor, 82)
Satan did not know at first who the Son of Man truly was, thereby believing it was possible to tempt that man who was special and holy, but who seemed to be, in the end, only a man.
Satan still tries to convince the world and "Catholic dissenters" that it is possible to tempt the Church; that Holy Mother Church* is merely a human organization, with no supernatural component. After having lost the battles of contraception and female ordination, though emboldened by a few apparent victories in the field of the liturgy (with the prevalent anthropocentric perception of contemporary worship), the Satanic hosts have to force their way through with "extreme cases".
And then we come to the Martini discussion with Communist Senator-elect and doctor Ignazio Marino (the full Italian text is available here), a discussion which the malicious and ill-intentioned have even called "fascinating". Apart from some truisms** used to blur the understanding that an immoral law is always iniquitous, it is an interview whose intent is to cause doubt and scandal among the faithful***, and to please the always-titillating secular press.
May it be clear: the world does not care about the Church's position on any issue, much less if Catholic couples should use contraceptive devices to "prevent infection"; it could not care less about the fate of our smallest brethren, the embryos. The intention of the forces from Hell is to see the Church proclaim: "It IS licit to do evil that good may come of it".
Similarly, dissenters do not care if "remarried" people receive Holy Communion or not. The intention of the forces from Hell is to see the Church proclaim: "Mortal sin has no consequences whatsoever: there is no such thing as a state of sanctifying Grace".
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*"Exactly because he was a man of God, Saint Ignatius was a faithful servant of the Church, which he saw and venerated as Spouse of the Lord and Mother of the Christian faithful." (Benedict XVI, Speech to the members of the Society of Jesus in pilgrimage to the Tomb of Saint Peter, April 22, 2006)
**For instance, "...the law [liberalizing abortion] has contributed to reduce and gradually eliminate [clandestine abortions]", which is obviously the case when abortion is legal and there remains no such thing as a "clandestine abortion".
***In case you have a few doubts regarding one of the "extreme" cases Martini defends, read the excellent articles American Papist has posted here.
Send him to a Trappist monastery and mandate he take vow of perpetual silence. A French bishop did that to one of my grandmother's French cousins back in the '30s.
Except for him, of course.
Martini should be excommunicated. Killing innocent children can NEVER be "positive".
Throw the silly old bugger out!
I'm sure they WERE hoping so. God had other plans.
That will positively, absolutely, never happen.
well, I see that he is retired...now, if he were to die and come back to life...oh, nevermind.
One of Pope Benedict's first moves was to discreetly get this guy out of the curia, but it seems Martini is determined to promote his unorthodox views. He no longer has any official position representing the Vatican, but (as with Mahoney) he's a media darling and they lap up his anti-Church statements.
The excommunication question is an interesting one. It's extremely unusual to go that far, but a cardinal openly advocating abortion is also extremely unusual.
I believe he did say abortion was wrong. But the man is a fool if he does not know that legalizing it increased it ten-fold.
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