Posted on 04/21/2006 6:19:05 AM PDT by NYer
Vatican City, Apr. 20, 2006 (CNA) - Italian Vatican analyst Sandro Magister is releasing a long dialogue Cardinal Martini sustained with Ignazio Marino, famous Italian bio-ethicist, and director of the Center of transplants of the Jefferson Medical College in Philadelphia, about abortion, in-vitro fecundation and contraception
And the answer is: “not immediatly with conception, but after” said Cardinal Martini, about when life starts, “with the consequences that derive from it,” added Magister. The long dialogue between the two men will be released in the next issue of the weekly “L’espresso,” a center-left weekly tomorrow, it will be made available by Sandro Magister in his website in English
The Jesuit Cardinal, now 79, a great specialist of Holy Scriptures, and former Archbishop of Milan from 1979 to 2002, lives today in Jerusalem, where he resumed his biblical studies. During the pontificate of John Paul II, Cardinal Martini was known to be the preeminent representante of the “progressive” opposition. The same opinion continues to be circulate about him regarding the new pope.
On the issues tackled in the dialogue, Cardinal Martini seldom expressed his views, even during the heated debate in his country about allowing artificial fecundation. He questionned the Church’s official position who is intransigent in defending “each human life from conception to naturla death, with no exception.
Precisely, Cardinal Martini approves the use of “ovocites at the state of two pronucleus.” According to him and Professor Marino, at this stage following fecundation, “no singular and definit sign of human life appears, it’s not an embryo yet and therefore it can be manipulated with no formal moral objection.”
On euthanasia, he says “We can never approve of it,” but he adds we shouldn’t “condemn persons that carries out such an act on the demand of persons reduced and by pure altruistic feelings.”
He advocates for the same respect for persons who follow their consciences in these extreme cases.”
That is all that needs to be said.
Looks like Pope Benedeict needs to reinstate the supressing policies against the Jesuits again. He has his work cut out for him.
So what th'heck does this mean? Googling fertilization ovocites pronucleus all I found was one article (in Spanish, translated) reporting research on Chilean mussels. My impression is that the "two pronucleus" refers to that very brief interval after the sperm has penetrated the ovum, but before the nuclei of the sperm and ovum have merged.
In which case, how could this have any possible significance?
Exactly. If he's talking about the time period before the DNA of the parents splits and re-forms as the child's DNA, he isn't breaking any new ground.
Much ado.
Not buying it.
Another Pope Benedict did that, with the number XIV.
I eagerly await the Papal ZOTTING of this guy.
The World needs the voice of the Catholic Church announcing a maximalist position on human life, even if the World does not always listen. Once the Church starts watering down its position on human life, it is giving aid and comfort to the countless modern moral horrors of the Culture of Death that at their base do not believe that human life has inherent dignity.
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After reading: "He questionned the Church’s official position who is intransigent in defending “each human life from conception to naturla death, with no exception.",
I'm all for that as well.
JESUITS LOVED ARMINIUS - "We have planted that soveraigne drugge Arminianisme, which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresie; and it flourisheth and beares fruit in due season. For the better prevention of the Puritanes"
The Jesuits and Predestination
If the joint verdict of Arminius himself, and of his English proselyte Hoord, will not turn the scale, let us add the testimony of a professed Jesuit, by way of making up full weight. When archbishop Laud's papers were exam- ined, a letter was found among them, thus endorsed with that prelate's own hand: "March, 1628. A Jesuit's Letter, sent to the Rector at Bruxels, about the ensuing Parliament." The design of this letter was to give the Superior of the Jesuits, then resident at Brussels, an account of the posture of civil and ecclesiastical affairs in England; an extract from it I shall here subjoin: "Father Rector, let not the damp of astonishment seize upon your ardent and zealous soul, in apprehending the sodaine and unexpected calling of a Parliament. We have now many strings to our bow. We have planted that soveraigne drugge Arminianisme, which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresie; and it flourisheth and beares fruit in due season. For the better prevention of the Puritanes, the Arminians have already locked up the Duke's (of Buckingham) eares; and we have those of our owne religion, which stand continually at the Duke's chamber, to see who goes in and out: we cannot be too circumspect and carefull in this regard. I am, at this time, transported with joy, to see how happily all instruments and means, as well great as lesser, co-operate unto our purposes. But, to return unto the maine fabricke:--OUR FOUNDATION IS ARMINIANISME. The Arminians and projectors, as it appeares in the premises, affect mutation. This we second and enforce by probable arguments."9
5 SOLAS!
This good'ole Jesuit, sounds like the Devil's advocate, out to obliterate.
...The Catholic vs. the Protestant...
No wonder Ireland is having such a problem. If I had that baloney fed to me from youngin'hood, I'd probably be fightin' too...
By their fruits you will know them.
He needs our prayers.
Please shut up, Cardinal Martini, and pursue your retirement occupation with some dignity.
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