Posted on 04/20/2006 4:48:53 PM PDT by Coleus
Excellent scientific point! (And logical too!)
Again, the Catholic Church stands alone against contraception and sterilization!!!!!
God bless our mother, the Church! Always putting forth sound teaching! (I agree sometimes people don't want to hear the truth though!)
There is an even more sure fire method to avoid pregnancy, but then, I guess maybe your husband doesn't like celibacy. Seriously, non one can expect heroc virtue from anyone except themselves.
Why are you posing a question that seems to be filled with hyperbole and personal attack?
Speak to the issue -- don't act like a politician, please.
You haven't heard of the practice of Natural Family Planning, it would seem. Please check out the posted link.
But his knowledge is only by the book, not by personal experience. There IS a difference, which is why I refuse to have a male gynocologist.
I'm thankful that priests are not married. Their lives are devoted to God, prayer and the parish. They don't have wives, in-laws, children, etc. to take them away from their work. Being a priest is a very demanding job.
Again, I would say that since most priests have little real-life experience with issues of sex, marriage, childbirth, child rearing, etc., their advise doesn't mean much to me. Advise and counsel from someone who has actually "been there and done that" is a lot more meaningful.
Titus 2:3-5 states, "Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored."
My point in quoting this text is that even Paul (who was not married) understood that men, celibate ones in particular, have no business giving out martial advise to women. That's why he counseled Titus to find godly older women to do that job.
I am way to blunt to be a politician.
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And not a single one of your quotes tells me not to ever stop fathering babies. There is no biblical injunction against contraception. There is plenty of interpretation by (supposedly) celibate men telling people how to manage their sex lives.
Not having sex is still another way to avoid having children. If supposedly using birth control is keeping God from fertilizing us then avoiding the whole marriage 'rights'is not only keeping God from giving us with children it is also denying our partner a sexual relationship...we're not suppose to do that.
"Since I'm the one responsible for carrying and raising the babies I have I believe I should have a say in when enough is enough."
When my OB said, "Enough! You are putting your life in danger, that was my clue."
The body cannot tolerate Multiple C-sections (old verticle incision, not the new procedure) without a possible rupture killing both mom and baby.
"He said, "Be fruitful and multiply". The church added "without end""
God does not expect "without end". That is why he made our bodies the way he did. Women can not have children their entire lives. God knew our bodies couldn't endure childbirth in our 60's. We have a limited time frame in our lifespan to have children. I trust God knew what he was doing. The church is simply following His plan. It's a shame that so many discard it.
I have the same experience--3 c-sections. I asked my doctor if I could weather a 4th and he told me a story about when he was in medical school he watched a woman bleed to death from uterine rupture. I guess it's one of those few things that happen during pregnancy where the survival rate for mom and baby is just about nil.
After that, my husband decided to have a vasectomy--my doctor said tubal ligations cause a host of hormonal problems for women. It was a very painful decision and I still wish we could have more children, but not at the risk of my children not having a mother.
If consent is to be the buzz word in all matters sexual, then mutual consent not to have sex does not end a sexual relationship:it just makes a radical change. It's a hard choice, sort of like accepting a Down's syndrome child rather than snuffing its life out. You make that sacrifice. Again, I do not expect anyone to be heroic, and on a daily basis, most of us fail to do even our duties on small matters much less make great, life-altering sacrifices.
Truth is not determined by majority vote.
That's what happens when the clergy is celibate and doesn't experience the reality of marriage and kids.
A throwaway response, so you can avoid grappling with the issues. The Catholic clergy is simply re-iterating what was common Christian teaching among all Christians until 1930.
And what about all of us who (a) are not celibate; and (b) don't contracept; and (c) most certainly experience the reality of marriage and kids? Doesn't our opinion count for anything?
That's another throwaway response, to avoid addressing the real issues.
Read what Martin Luther said about contraception sometime. For heaven's sake, read what Mahatma Gandhi, not even a Christian but a virtuous pagan, said after the Anglicans caved to culture in 1930 and approved contraception.
I've really "been there and done that". Married 17 1/2 years, four kids, changed countless diapers, been in the delivery room with my wife for all four births, been up in the middle of the night cleaning vomit off the rug, you name it, I've done. (Except for giving birth and nursing, and I don't really have that option.)
Don't contracept. Use NFP, and be generous in giving life.
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