[Campion]

Andrew Greeley discovered almost 40 years ago with his surveys that over 90% of American Catholics ignored Papal teachings on birth control. I doubt that's changed.

Truth is not determined by majority vote.

That's what happens when the clergy is celibate and doesn't experience the reality of marriage and kids.

A throwaway response, so you can avoid grappling with the issues. The Catholic clergy is simply re-iterating what was common Christian teaching among all Christians until 1930.

And what about all of us who (a) are not celibate; and (b) don't contracept; and (c) most certainly experience the reality of marriage and kids? Doesn't our opinion count for anything?

[Thorin]

>>>>>>>>>And what about all of us who (a) are not celibate; and (b) don't contracept; and (c) most certainly experience the reality of marriage and kids? Doesn't our opinion count for anything?

You don't count, because the media and the broader culture regard anyone with more than three children (at most) as a freak. This goes hand in hand with regarding anyone who values or practices chastity as a freak. Today, most Americans regard consequence-free sexual pleasure as the summum bonum of existence, and woe to him who suggests it might not be.

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And what about all of us who (a) are not celibate; and (b) don't contracept; and (c) most certainly experience the reality of marriage and kids? Doesn't our opinion count for anything?

Not within my household.