[Thorin]

>>>>>>>>>And what about all of us who (a) are not celibate; and (b) don't contracept; and (c) most certainly experience the reality of marriage and kids? Doesn't our opinion count for anything?

You don't count, because the media and the broader culture regard anyone with more than three children (at most) as a freak. This goes hand in hand with regarding anyone who values or practices chastity as a freak. Today, most Americans regard consequence-free sexual pleasure as the summum bonum of existence, and woe to him who suggests it might not be.

[Jaded]

I have a cousin who now has 5 boys all under the age of 9. When his wife became pregnant with the third they began losing some of their liberal friends. Even some of the family members are making snarky comments. People just don't get it.