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Seminaries Full in Southern India (despite new anti-conversion law)
Zenit News Agency ^ | April 11, 2006

Posted on 04/11/2006 9:57:54 PM PDT by NYer

KOENIGSTEIN, Germany, APRIL 11, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Vocations in India seem to be booming as increasing numbers of young men stepping forward to prepare for the priesthood.

In a recent interview with the international charity Aid to the Church in Need, Father Ignatius Prasad, rector of the Sacred Heart Major Seminary in Chennai (formerly Madras), gave this optimistic assessment of the Church.

The priest explained that his seminary now has 286 students and that -- due to a lack of space -- he had to turn away 23 candidates, who have been forced to continue their training elsewhere.

The seminary is one of four in southern India with a combined total of almost 800 students from 28 dioceses. More than 60 of them are due to be ordained to the priesthood next month.

In Chennai, there were now more than 30 students in each year-group in the seminary's theology section, double the number in the late 1980s, Father Prasad said.

"Vocations are going up; this has been the case for the last five years or so," the rector said. "We find it difficult to admit all the applicants and set a tight deadline for them to get their papers in on time."

Father Prasad revealed that there was growing "political pressure" to limit the growth of the Church with a new anti-conversion law introduced in the state of Tamil Nadu: Preaching in public is forbidden and would-be converts to Christianity now face a barrage of paperwork thrust upon them by government officials.

Retreats, sodalities

The seminary rector said that people were turning to the Church in protest against the new regulations.

"The more pressure they put on people, the more they feel like proclaiming their faith," he said.

The priest went on to explain that lively youth programs were drawing people to the faith and encouraging men to discern a possible vocation to the priesthood. Retreats, sodalities and altar serving had all helped to boost the number of seminarians.

He also praised the work of Aid to the Church in Need, describing how the charity had supported key training for seminary staff, Mass intentions, library books and a generator.

"What we feel is so important," Father Prasad added, "is to help the students to realize what they are learning about is not so much an academic subject but a mystery, something that is very personal and with a strong human dimension to it."


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To: The Lion Roars; Raj13008
i am sure most of your country-men who are 'true' christians are also patriots.

That does seem to be the case for India. Raj is getting worked up -- Raj13008, by generalising, you're getting as bad as the ignoramuses who insult your religion.
181 posted on 04/12/2006 8:12:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: cslfan

I am not sure about the particular school you studied in. However, it is a surprise to me if the Christian schools/colleges in Kerala are not state-aided, even partially (Kerala after all, the Socialists rule the place, except until very recently).

If the place you studied in has a fee structure similar to the other public schools and colleges, it MUST be taking in partial aid. Or else, someone's extremely, extremely generous. For example, pre-university college education costs about Rs 1,75,000 per head, per year. The actual fees paid by each student is less than Rs. 50,000. The rest is subsidised by the taxpayer. So, did your pre-university college charge an annual fee as indicated by the Rs 1,75,000 figure? That would be unbelievable.

If the schools in question have to follow state government rules regarding bifurcation of schools and pre-university courses (class XI and Class XII), it HAS to be state-aided.


182 posted on 04/12/2006 8:16:20 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: cslfan
...nor do they take donations selectively.

Honestly, and I mean no offence, I cannot believe that. Christians are almost always exempt from paying a "donation". And their eligibility requirements are way lower than for the rest. I know this by first-hand experience.

But I do know that such schools occasionally refrain from taking donations from poorer student, but only occasionally.

183 posted on 04/12/2006 8:21:54 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

student = students


184 posted on 04/12/2006 8:22:38 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Cronos

Exactly. And most Indian Christians would know that a large portion of Church attendence actually comprises of Hindus. Especially on Thursdays.


185 posted on 04/12/2006 8:24:14 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SOLDIEROFJESUSCHRIST; Raj13008; sukhoi-30mki
I know a number of Christians who are my age and have suffered Discrimination. They are all migrating to Australia or Canada or have got jobs in the United States and are leaving in the near future.

That's rot -- most of the Christians in India under 40 are doing pretty well: their community is among the best educated, prosperous and progressive in the country. Most are top-class professionals or leading in their fields. Maybe if you're talking about 40+ year olds, especially as in your case people who have a yearning to be re-colonised, no wonder you were discriminated against -- less because of your religion and more, I suspect, because of your colonial mindset.

Most Indian Christians would be disgusted by your page emphasising the merits of Portuguese culture and not talking about your own (Indian) culture. Most Indians Catholics that I've met are comfortable with their nationality and religion and see no conflict between the two as you obviously seem to see.
186 posted on 04/12/2006 8:29:06 PM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Those aren't Christian extremists -- those are ethnic/regional extremists, they are basing their secession movement purely on their ethnicity.


187 posted on 04/12/2006 8:33:30 PM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: SOLDIEROFJESUSCHRIST
If I have been constantly attacked, since January 2006 by you all-- Do you still expect me to fly the Indian Flag.

If you're an Indian citizen, then yes, you should fly the Indian flag.
188 posted on 04/12/2006 8:34:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

i dont know what state government rules regarding bifurcation of schools and pre-university courses are.my school follows ISCE, ISC syallabus. we were owned and supported by a major south indian church. in fact we fall into the category of "un aided" schools.
and my school was definitely not top notch or anything. i would say it was above average.the cost of education is way less than what you said.


189 posted on 04/12/2006 8:39:21 PM PDT by cslfan
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To: Cronos
Those aren't Christian extremists -- those are ethnic/regional extremists, they are basing their secession movement purely on their ethnicity.

Agreed. But not totally. They also fight members of their own ethnicity, especially the ones who haven't converted. Inter-tribe rivalry in the North East is as old as the secession movement, if not older.

This is not a purely Indian vs. Nagas struggle, simply because an Indian cannot be defined by one ethnicity, and not all Nagas agree with the Insurgents.

190 posted on 04/12/2006 8:39:24 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: dangus

I have sent you a private mail. I dont see a need for flame throwing here. Suffice to say there have been enough recorded instances of christians attacking hindus in india. It is a tribute to hinduism that it has managed to survive 7 centuries of brutal islamic rule and 3 centuries of christian rule and yet survive.

anyways as i said - visit india and see for yourself!! i am sorry but i cant argue any more with ignorance.


191 posted on 04/12/2006 8:40:43 PM PDT by The Lion Roars
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To: NYer

Just wanted to drop a note and let everyone know I think the conduct of the Hindus on this thread have been pretty vile. It's honestly changed my mind on Hinduism. I mean that very honestly. Good job, folks, you really made a difference.


192 posted on 04/12/2006 8:41:46 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: The Lion Roars
hindus and jews are probably two sets of people that are always engaged in endless debate and fratricidal conflicts.

But I keep reading that Hindus are pacifist on this thread. I'm guessing fratricide doesn't fit with pacifism.
193 posted on 04/12/2006 8:45:24 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dangus
But to justify the slaughtering of Catholics (or, as this woman happens to be, a charismatic Protestant) based on the actions of what some flaky crackpot "Christian" group is doing is disgusting and obscene.

Fanaticism is scary isn't it? Allows people to excuse almost *any* behavior.
194 posted on 04/12/2006 8:48:41 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: sniper22
Actually I was being sarcastic about the prayer stuff. I stopped praying long time ago. To be precide , couple of days before my 10th grade exam. Math paper. I prayed , prayed and prayed. And suddenly realised that I was wasting my time. Spent more time working out some equations instead. Did well. Since then , I never ever prayed and preferred to study harder instead . That was my 'big realization'....Worked well for me so far....I recommend everybody try it.

Wow, your logic is just...I mean, wow.

Scary that you think this makes any sense whatsoever.
195 posted on 04/12/2006 8:51:18 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: cslfan
St. Joseph's College, Bangalore is also assumed by most to be "unaided". But it takes in a subsidy from the Karnataka government.

It had to obey a directive from the Karnataka government to bifurcate itself into a St. Joseph's Pre-University College (for classes XI and XII), and another St. Joseph's College for post-grad science and arts courses. The reason being teachers who taught both courses were taking salaries from both, which, according to the state regulations, is illegal.

How much was the fees for ISC classes XI and XII? It is certainly more than state government equivalents. And it is astonishing that the college you studied in could obtain subsidy for it from the Church, without state aid, if the fees were same as other "aided" colleges.

Most unaided colleges happen to be elite, secular, private ones, and their fee structures are way higher.

196 posted on 04/12/2006 8:52:02 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

i think i understand the communication gap here. the school i studied in (and the kind i was referring to as not getting state funding)is not a college or university..its a school from elementry to class 12. i should have made it clear.


199 posted on 04/12/2006 9:10:35 PM PDT by cslfan
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To: NYer; dangus
I have used highlighting on the relevent lines here:

The Bhagavad Gita


Arjuna:

Of those who love you as the Lord of Love,
Ever present in all, and those who seek you
As the nameless, formless Reality,
Which way is sure and swift, love or knowledge?

Sri Krishna:

For those who set their hearts on me
And worship me with unfailing devotion and faith,
The way of love leads sure and swift to me.

Those who seek the transcendental Reality,
Unmanifested, without name or form,
Beyond the reach of feeling and of thought,
With their senses subdued and mind serene
And striving for the good of all beings,
They too will verily come unto me.


Yet hazardous
And slow is the path to the Unrevealed,
Difficult for physical man to tread.
But they for whom I am the goal supreme,
Who do all work renouncing self for me
And meditate on me with single-hearted devotion,
These will I swiftly rescue
From the fragment's cycle of birth and death
To fullness of eternal life in me.

Still your mind in me, still yourself in me,
And without doubt you shall be united with me,
Lord of Love, dwelling in your heart.
But if you cannot still your mind in me,
Learn to do so through the practice of meditation.
If you lack the will for such self-discipline,

Engage yourself in selfless service of all around you,
For selfless service can lead you at last to me.

If you are unable to do even this,
Surrender yourself to me in love,
Receiving success and failure with equal calmness
As granted by me.

Better indeed is knowledge than mechanical practice.
Better than knowledge is meditation.
But better still is surrender in love,
Because there follows immediate peace.


That one I love who is incapable of ill will,
And returns love for hatred.

Living beyond the reach of I and mine
And of pleasure and pain,
full of mercy,
Contented, self-controlled, firm in faith,
With all their heart and all their mind given to me –
With such people I am in love.

Not agitating the world or by it agitated,
They stand above the sway of elation,
Competition, and fear, accepting life
Good and bad as it comes. They are pure,
Efficient, detached, ready to meet every demand
I make on them as a humble instrument of my work.

They are dear to me who run not after the pleasant
Or away from the painful, grieve not
Over the past, lust not today,
But let things come and go as they happen.

Who serve both friend and foe with equal love,

Not buoyed up by praise or cast down by blame,
Alike in heat and cold, pleasure and pain,
Free from selfish attachments and self-will,
Ever full, in harmony everywhere,

Firm in faith – such as these are dear to me.

But dearest to me are those who seek me
In faith and love as life's eternal goal.
They go beyond death to immortality.

 

 

 

 

Sri Krishna:

Those who are free from selfish attachments,
Who have mastered the senses and passions,
Act not, but are acted through by the Lord.
Listen to me now, O son of Kunti,
How one who has become an instrument
In the hands of the Lord attains the Absolute,
The supreme consummation of wisdom.

Unerring in discrimination,
Sovereign of the senses and passions,
Free from the clamor of likes and dislikes,
They lead a simple, self–reliant life
Based on meditation, using speech,
Body, and mind to serve the Lord of Love.

Free from self–will, aggressiveness, arrogance,
From the lust to possess people or things,
They are at peace with themselves and others
And enter into the unitive state.

United with the Lord, ever joyful,
Beyond the reach of self–will and sorrow,
They serve me in every living creature
And attain supreme devotion to me.
By loving me they share in my glory
And enter into my boundless being.

All their acts are performed in my service,
And through my grace they win eternal life.

Make every act an offering to me;
Regard me as your only protector.
Make every thought an offering to me;
Meditate on me always.

Drawing upon your deepest resources,
You shall overcome all difficulties
Through my grace. But if you will not heed me
In your self–will, nothing will avail you.

If you say, “I will not fight this battle,”
Your own nature will drive you into it.
If you will not fight the battle of life,
Your own karma will drive you into it.

The Lord dwells in the hearts of all creatures,
And he whirls them round on the wheel of time.
Run to him for refuge with all your strength
And peace profound will be yours through his grace.

I give you these precious words of wisdom;
Reflect on them and then choose what is best.
These are the last words I shall speak to you,
Dear one, for your spiritual fulfillment.

Be aware of me always, adore me,
Make every act an offering to me,
And you shall come to me;
This I promise, for you are dear to me.
Leave all other support, and look to me
For protection. I shall purify you
From the sins of the past. Do not grieve.

Do not share this wisdom with anyone
Who lacks in devotion or self–control,
Lacks the desire to learn, or who scoffs at me.

Those who teach this supreme mystery
Of the Gita to all those who love me
Will come to me without doubt. No one
Can render me more devoted service;
No one on earth can be more dear to me.

Those who meditate on these holy words
Worship me with wisdom and devotion.
Even those who listen to them with faith,
Free from doubts, will find a happier world.

Have you fully understood my message?
Are you free from your doubts and delusions?

Arjuna:

You have dispelled my doubts and delusions
And made me ready to fight this battle.
My faith is firm now, and I will do your will.

 

 

Sri Krishna:

 

I am the same to all beings. My love
Is the same always. Nevertheless, those
Who meditate on me with devotion,
They dwell in me, and I shine forth in them.

Even the worst sinner becomes a saint
When he loves me with all his heart. This love
Will soon transform his personality
And fill his heart with peace profound.
O son of Kunti, this is my promise:
Those who love me, they shall never perish.

-Excerpts from the  Bhagawad Gita (The Song of the Lord).

 

200 posted on 04/12/2006 9:22:26 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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