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Are Christians required to tithe?
KJV Bible | 4/9/06 | ScubieNuc

Posted on 04/09/2006 9:39:42 PM PDT by ScubieNuc

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To: restornu
Tithe if you want. I said God understood my heart when I tithed and He understands my heart now that I don't.

If you can find me one New Testament verse that shows tithing as a part of the CHURCH, I will be happy to tithe.

I'm always amazed at people who find an argument- based on scripture as mine was- but differing from their point of view to disclaim the argument as being deceptive or in this case 'artful'

What 'rationalizing' are you referring to. I didn't put this in my original post, but FYI; the reason I did a study of tithing to begin with was that I was a tither and wanted to fully understand the requirements and model for the tithe so I could fulfill what God wanted me to do with a clear understanding of it's history and application. It was as I began to study the tithe, because I wanted to understand it better (I was a tither already) that the thought "Jesus is your tithe" came to me. Take my argument, point by point and show me where I have misused scripture or failed to rightly divide the truth. In the mean time, I would suggest on this and any other matter, follow your conscience as your conscience is being led by the Holy Spirit. If you believe you should tithe, then by all means, tithe- and don't let me talk you out of it. I, after careful consideration and prayer came to the opposite conclusion, I have scripture to support my position. I will obey my conscience while I continue to submit to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

BTW- Don't assume my post to mean I don't give. Don't even assume it to mean I give less than 10%; read it for what is says- the tithe is not part of the New Covenant. In the mean time, I would appreciate you showng me the scriptural model (old or new testament) for an annual giving of 10% of your increase to the church (or the priests in the old testament). It's not there, there is no 'tithe model' in the Bible that matches the popular contemporary teaching of the tithe.

Will
81 posted on 04/10/2006 9:54:42 AM PDT by will of the people
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To: will of the people
I am still confused with the way you present it so was I in your first post that is why I said Now I might have missed understood what you ment mean by sowing seeds
82 posted on 04/10/2006 10:02:21 AM PDT by restornu (American Republic endureth until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own $$)
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To: ScubieNuc

Are Christians required to tithe?

No. It does help the local church keep the doors open, though. Please see the widows mite.

parsy, who got it straight from you-know-who up above.


83 posted on 04/10/2006 10:06:36 AM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: restornu

By sowing seeds, I'm just using a metaphor for giving.

I sow seeds (in this case money) into the Kingdom og God
I also sow seeds of service, time, love etc.

I use the metaphor because in Genesis, we have the promise that as long as the earth remains, there will be seed time and harvest.

This means I can expect a harvest. And seed reproduces after its own kind. That's all.

If you're more comfortable, I could say that I still give financially to support the Kingdom of God. That's all I meant.

Will


84 posted on 04/10/2006 10:15:29 AM PDT by will of the people
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To: will of the people

Thank you I thought that might be what you were saying...

Cheers!


85 posted on 04/10/2006 10:17:36 AM PDT by restornu (American Republic endureth until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own $$)
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To: ScubieNuc

I always find it interesting that many churches that do not emphasize the literalness of scripture always feel it is literal when it comes to verses about giving money.


86 posted on 04/10/2006 10:40:05 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX-Formerly "Tom DeLay Country")
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To: ScubieNuc

If robbing God is to your liking, then don't tithe. (Malachi)


87 posted on 04/10/2006 10:41:07 AM PDT by samcgwire (Hey, I VOTED for President "Better than Kerry"!)
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To: ScubieNuc

2 Corintians 9:7
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."


88 posted on 04/10/2006 10:51:01 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: restornu
If you feel your generation is giving more than think about all those aborted from the roster of life?

Most of those that were aborted come from the younger generations. By aborting 40 million children and then continuing to rack up debts, you have forced the survivoring younger generations to pay even more in taxes.

89 posted on 04/10/2006 11:03:11 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: will of the people
Thank you for the thoughtful, well-rounded, biblically based article re: tithing. However it does fail in one major area that I would strongly encourage you to develop:

What the New Testament says about Christian giving.

While the Church and Christians are not under the Law regarding tithing (as you aptly defended), nevertheless, the New Testament has a great deal to say about the believer and New Testament giving. I believe this is important because some may read your article and wrongly conclude that because Christians don't have to tithe, they therefore do not have to give at all! A conclusion that is patently unbiblical and I am quite confident not what you had in mind.

Again, thank you for your sound hermeneutics and biblically based reasoning regarding the topic. I look forward (Lord willing) to reading the addendum regarding "The New Testament and Christian giving".

90 posted on 04/10/2006 11:21:55 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: Jmouse007
Thanks for your comments

As you stated, my article does not address giving. That is because it is actually a copy and paste of an argument concerning tithing. Since in the original argument, the idea of giving was pre-supposed by both sides, it gets only glancing mention.

Giving is of course an important part of the Christian walk. In the future I may go back and insert some more info re: giving. * the article was a little on the short side anyway :) *

Thanks for your insight

Will
91 posted on 04/10/2006 11:40:23 AM PDT by will of the people
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To: ScubieNuc

God loves a CHEERFUL giver. He doesn't love a GREEDY and HYPOCRITICAL giver. So, the givers need to clean up their act, and be CHEERFUL...


92 posted on 04/10/2006 11:55:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: will of the people

Good post. Jesus used the law, including sections on tithing, to convict sinners of their sin in order that they might understand their need for a savior. Once a sinner has come to faith, they are no longer under O.T. law.


93 posted on 04/10/2006 12:50:07 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Watch how you use YOU Paul!

My point was there were fewer here on earth to share the taxes!

And even though the American worker all pay their share of taxes, most of the burden comes from the left who divided away all of the revenue to non tax payers!

It was the will of the Nation not the individual!

Just like you are an individual and the left have doctored the numbers and the right (politicians) never seems to forced the issue on the table, and those who did are put through the libeeral wood chipper!


94 posted on 04/10/2006 2:32:38 PM PDT by restornu (American Republic endureth until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own $$)
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To: Paul C. Jesup
That could be considered sinful in that you are giving away money that should go to paying the debters you have borrowed from.
No, I paid the debtors and tithed at the same time. The miracle was that I always had money left over to pay my bills down.

95 posted on 04/10/2006 4:20:34 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: ScubieNuc; Diver Dave

Scubie -

Why are you so intent on separating the commands of the OT from the NT. Neither can be examined in isolation.

All things in Scripture are God-breathed. Should we just ignore parts of Scripture because it does not fit into our view of God or our life style?

God gave very detailed instructions as to how his chosen people should live. Many of the civil and ceremonial laws that were instituted provided safety, security, and harmony within the Jewish tribes when they were obeyed. We can learn from these instructions and they are yet a fantastic guide for our lives today.

Are we to still live under these same cultural and ceremonial laws today? Of course not. Will our lives be more harmonious and God-serving if we maintain the spirit of these laws? Obviously. As you have already discerned, if you had obeyed the commands about staying debt-free, your troubles would be fewer.

You are correct in saying our salvation is not earned by tithing nor is it sustained by our tithe. Tithing is merely a first step in obedience from which we learn to trust and depend on God for all things. Most people who learn to tithe, soon find that God's blessing allows them to give even more. Tithing is a step of faith - a fairly small step in the grand scheme of things. But if you poll all "Christians", you will find a very small part that fulfill even this small step of faith.

You need to ask yourself why the idea of tithing is abrasive to you. Do you think a tenth of your possession is too much to give to God? Too small? Not that I know you well, but my first instinct is that you are searching for a legal loophole that will justify your actions. Are you truly trusting God when you withhold your tithe until your debt is fully paid? It sounds like you are giving nothing to God until your debt is gone - can you support that behavior with Scripture?

I would certainly commend you to give your ALL to Christ. Since that is not yet the case (and will not be until your dying breath), I suggest a tenth is a great start...


96 posted on 04/10/2006 4:37:48 PM PDT by visually_augmented (I was blind, but now I see)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

My mother always said, "I take all my money and throw it in the air. He can keep what he wants....I'll keep what comes back to me."

Of course she said it tongue in cheek.


97 posted on 04/10/2006 5:55:43 PM PDT by colorcountry (Don't bother me,.... I'm living happily ever after.)
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To: John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?

It appears you have managed to twist my quote to your own liking rather than the spirit in which it was delivered originally and with my passing on the words.

Forgive me if I have offended your theology.


98 posted on 04/10/2006 6:15:42 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: colorcountry

LOL!


99 posted on 04/10/2006 7:17:32 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ("Those who provide not for their own house are worse than infidels." (note: not quoted verbatim))
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To: Upbeat

Thank you for sharing that. What a great example of faith. I have also enjoyed God's blessings each time I have chosen to give and to trust that he knows what is best for me. I sometimes struggle with putting my life completely in God's hands. I don't know why because each time I do, he always comes through for me. Your story helps me to remember this.


100 posted on 04/10/2006 7:34:20 PM PDT by ga medic
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