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The 'kneeling incident' with Bishop Brown
http://closedcafeteria.blogspot.com ^ | April 8, 2006 | Gerald Augustinus

Posted on 04/08/2006 11:04:50 AM PDT by Diago

The 'kneeling incident' with Bishop Brown


I got a boatload of emails regarding this bishop. You may remember him from this and this.

I have yet to compile everything into one report (some 20 emails), but here is the story referenced to by a reader Friday, about Bishop Brown pulling a woman from the kneeling position. I was not there, so I cannot verify the report - but it seems to be well known and the photo (a still from a video) seems quite obvious.

Here is how the woman pictured described the event (in her own words):

I was sitting on the side of the Church, 3rd row, where Bishop Tod Brown distributed the Holy Eucharist, (in the video, I am the woman with short brown hair and glasses, wearing a black sweater and long white skirt sitting on the opposite side (from the camera) of the aisle in the center of the church) and upon approaching the Bishop to receive, I genuflected, out of reverence for the Sacred Species and remained on one knee to receive the Blessed Sacrament. Bishop Brown refused to give me Holy Communion. Bishop Brown said, “You need to stand up”.

I was in shock and didn’t move or respond. He then reached out and took hold of my folded hands, attempting to physically pull me to a standing position, and said more sternly, “You need to stand.”

I looked up and whispered, quietly and respectfully, “Please, bishop”, and he then grabbed my arm, and pulled me, as though to physically pull me up to a standing position (although obscured, you can see where he bends down and extends his right arm to grab mine) as he stated more loudly, “Get up”.

Still on one knee, I then asked very quietly and with genuine ignorance, “Why?”

As he stood up straight he responded, very loudly and sternly, “Because THAT’S the way we receive communion. Now, GET UP, you’re causing a scene.’ (Capitalized words were accentuated (spoken more loudly) by the bishop. You can see in the video, if viewed frame by frame, that at that moment many heads turned toward the bishop, including a young girl and her mother in the other line of communicants and Fr. Pasqual Nguyen (in front and to the side of the bishop).

Confused as to the problem, I lowered my head in a silent prayer, and not wanting to cause any further embarrassment to Fr. Benzoni during this holy occasion, I stood up and received Holy Eucharist. As I came to my feet, noticeably distracted by the incident, I saw 3 of the priests who had been distributing communion were all looking at Bishop Brown.

posted by Gerald Augustinus at 1:42 AM

 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: eucharist; todbrown
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1 posted on 04/08/2006 11:04:54 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago

(gasp)...NO!


In trublu speak, the above means, "What's the big deal?"


2 posted on 04/08/2006 11:13:01 AM PDT by trubluolyguy ((C))
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To: Diago
I hope she notifies the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments:

FAX: 011-39-06-698-83499

Brown needs to receive a late night visit from Cardinal Arinze.

3 posted on 04/08/2006 1:34:21 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: seamole

I think he has a screw loose, based on what the congregant said.


6 posted on 04/08/2006 7:34:36 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: seamole

A pious Catholic woman was physically and spiritually assaulted by a bishop in public and on video.




How do you figure?


7 posted on 04/08/2006 8:17:41 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (C)
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To: seamole

I mean no disrespect to her, or to you...I just fail to see assault or really anything else here except for one side of the story.


8 posted on 04/08/2006 8:19:38 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (C)
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To: Diago; trubluolyguy

Sorry, but if she really had "reverence" for the Sacred Species, she would have complied with the bishop and not caused a scene in church, and saved it for later discussion. God would have understood.


9 posted on 04/08/2006 9:32:10 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Yes, they are both wrong. But its like watching a grown man throwing food back and forth with a two year old: that a two year old may be immature is not news; that a grown man behave like that is shocking.

(And that is a comparison; I don't mean to say the woman is acting like, or has the responsibility of, a two year old; I only mean that in relationship to the supposed authority, dignity, and spirituality of the bishop.)


10 posted on 04/08/2006 10:14:24 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Larry Lucido

You are correct. She should have done what the Bishop told her to do. You do not make yourself the centerpiece of attention while receiving the body and blood of Christ.


11 posted on 04/08/2006 10:23:51 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch ("Toleration" has never been affiliated with the virtuous. Think about it.)
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To: Larry Lucido

The Vatican has stated that those wishing to receive the Eucharist while genuflecting or kneeling cannot be denied. She was right to force the issue. Brown has a long record as an apostate, heterodox who needs to be dismissed from the clerical state.


12 posted on 04/09/2006 7:28:15 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Diago

That's completely inappropriate. The Vatican has given permission to receive Communion kneeling.

BTW, where is this guy (Brown) bishop? The name doesn't ring a bell.


14 posted on 04/09/2006 4:08:34 PM PDT by livius
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To: seamole

OK, I looked him up. He's Bishop of Orange, right? This is in the Archdiocese of LA (under Roger M), right? Just want to get my facts straight.


18 posted on 04/09/2006 4:44:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: Diago

Diabolic.


19 posted on 04/09/2006 4:57:01 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: seamole

Thank you.


20 posted on 04/09/2006 5:03:55 PM PDT by livius
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