How the Koran views Mary;
(Koran 19:23) And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree: She (Mary) cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this..."
Posted on 04/07/2006 3:06:39 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
How the Koran views Mary;
(Koran 19:23) And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree: She (Mary) cried (in her anguish): "Ah! would that I had died before this..."
The Catechism of the Catholic Church
841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator,
in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims;
these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God,
mankind's judge on the last day." 330
This to me was one of the worst moments in the papacy of JPII.
However, I think he may have been mislead. He was older at the time and perhaps he thought this was a copy of the Gospels or the OT given to him as a sign of respect. Or he may have been a victim of what another writer referred to as "sentimental ecumenism," that is, we all believe in some kind of God, so yours is as good as mine. JPII was the pope of the scandalous Assisi conferences, after all, so perhaps this was part of his thinking.
In any case, the writer was on target: this was not an official statement of any kind, it was probably a misguided gesture of kindness, and we should not obssess on it.
Hmmmm..... I think he's saying, "You're right, Abdul, this book does smell like tuna."
Ya know, it's a good point that not every gesture is made as an official statement of doctrine. Ever been to a baseball game against the Blue Jays or the Expos? Did you stand for their national anthem? Did you consider that you were pledging allegiance to a foreign power? Did you intend by doing that to turn your back on the founding fathers, and the government they created? Did you intend to renounce your citizenship and instead become a Canadian?
I'm guessing your answers to the last five questions were all "no." Yet saluting a flag IS a sign of allegiance. signaling allegiance to a foreign power is considered an act of renouncing citizenship.
No, many Americans instinctively stand out of RESPECT for the Canadians they are among. Although the Canadians stand to demonstrate their allegiance, no such allegiance is meant by the American fans.
This does not speak well of Catholic doctrine. The Muslims don't adore the merciful God, they adore the vengeful god.
Cue the knuckledraggers.
I assume he was confused here as well, being in 1986 and all...
Of course, the difference is that I don't believe Islam is worthy of any respect whatsoever (unlike Canadians, who do deserve a bit of respect!). It's a false religion that is essentially an insane death cult based on a Middle Eastern lunatic's syncretist version of the Arian heresy.
However, as I noted, the Pope obviously was a subscriber to the "sentimental ecumenism" philosophy. And in addition, I suppose he didn't want to risk offending his hosts.
Yes, I guess he had a whole history of great moments like this!
However, I think that the Hindu gesture was more of a traditional welcome than a relgious thing, properly speaking. But I could be wrong about that - it's just a vague recollection of something an Indian friend told me once.
Coming from the likes of you I feel so blessed.
***BTW, the "Hindu blessing" incident has been debunked many times****
That a fact? I found this on a Catholic web site. Care to provide your refuting source?
***swill***
Swill? Like this:
Who are the two on the left of the Pope? Looks like a nice little ecumenical service to me.
BTW, in case you didn't notice, I didn't start this thread, I just jumped on board when I saw your revisionist friends trying to explain it all away.
FWIW, this is your guy doing these things, not me or anyone else Photoshopping.
Do you think Joseph Ratzinger will pray alongside Muslims and the Dali Lama?
Can you envision him kissing the Koran?
It is mighty big of Jim Aikin to concede that John Paul II may have had good motives when he kissed the Koran. But his willingness to point out that the pope made a mistake in doing so is typical of the sanctimonious traditionalists who are always more Catholic than the pope.
I could, under certain circumstances. Then again, I once envisioned JPII slipping the tongue to a copy of Calvin's Institutes "under certain circumstances" and that never happened. To paraphrase Winnie the Pooh, "you never can tell with Popes".
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