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Episcopaganism (Matthew Fox on the Black Madonna)
Midwest Conservative Journal ^ | 3/14/2006 | Christopher Johnson

Posted on 03/15/2006 11:50:30 AM PST by sionnsar

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1 posted on 03/15/2006 11:50:32 AM PST by sionnsar
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2 posted on 03/15/2006 11:51:19 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006)
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To: sionnsar
In addition to being a raving lunatic, MattyBoy is also a liar:

Since I am not Catholic, I don't know the significance of these images or whether they have any particular significance at all.

I guess they wiped his brain when he left the Catholic priesthood!

He was ordained a Roman Catholic priest in 1967. He received Masters Degrees in both philosophy and theology from Aquinas Institute, and later earned a Ph.D. in spirituality, summa cum laude, from the Institut Catholique de Paris. Due to his controversial teachings, he was censured by the Vatican in 1989 and forbidden to teach, and later dismissed from the Dominican order. He was later received as an Episcopal priest by Bishop William Swing of the Episcopal Diocese of California.

3 posted on 03/15/2006 11:56:03 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sionnsar

Where to begin... my head is spinning. How clueless can a clergyman be?


4 posted on 03/15/2006 11:57:19 AM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: Nihil Obstat

Just for the record, this individual Fox is infamous for hanging out with a witch named "Starhawk" (AKA Miriam Simos).


5 posted on 03/15/2006 12:02:08 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sionnsar

He's smoking better stuff than I am.


6 posted on 03/15/2006 12:13:23 PM PST by RonF
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To: sionnsar
Compassion knows when enough is enough

So, does this mean that Matthew isn't compassionate? Because he crossed the "Enough is enough" line in about, oh, say, the 2nd paragraph?

7 posted on 03/15/2006 12:15:48 PM PST by RonF
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To: sionnsar

He was definitely on the killer weed when writing this stuff. The Black Madonna is a peice of ART! Art doesn't HAVE to be a perfect likeness. Else all madonnas would look like a middle eastern woman, right?


8 posted on 03/15/2006 12:53:56 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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Since I am not Catholic, I don't know the significance of these images or whether they have any particular significance at all.

I think it was Christopher Johnson who wrote that, not Fox.

9 posted on 03/15/2006 12:56:50 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: vox_PL; lizol; Convert from ECUSA; NYer
The Black Madonna, the Great Mother, is not homophobic. She welcomes the diversity of sexual preferences that are also part of creation, human and more than human.... Because the Black Madonna is the goddess that dwells deeply and darkly within all beings, ourselves included, she brings with her our capacity for compassion.

The above is what happens when someone loses the faith and then perverts his old religion.

10 posted on 03/15/2006 12:59:22 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I think that line in the article was written by and referenced to the author, Mr. Johnson, not Matthew Fox.

Yes, I remember the glorious day that Fox joined the Episcopal Church. He was on the verge of being excommunicated by the Catholic Church and beat the Magisterium to the punch!

11 posted on 03/15/2006 1:00:40 PM PST by TotusTuus
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To: AnAmericanMother
The Black Madonna calls us to Diversity. There is no imagination without diversity—imagination is about inviting disparate elements into soul and culture so that new combinations can make love together and new beings can be birthed.

New combinations together? Like your head and your butt?

Because the Black Madonna is black, she addresses the fundamental phobia around race and differences of color and culture that come with race and ethnic diversity.

What are you talking about? They are just paintings of the Virgin Mary with the Child Jesus that are about 1000 years old and candles have been burning in front of it for 1000 years.

Meister Eckhart says: “All the names we give to God come from an understanding of ourselves.” [12] To give God the name “Black Madonna” is to honor blackness and all people of color and to get over an excessive whiteness of soul and culture.

Who gave God the name "Black Madonna"???? Anyone besides you, Matt Fox?

It is also to honor the feminine. Divinity is diverse.

Uhhh...

Diverse in color and diverse in traditions and diverse in gender. God as Mother, not just Father. God as Birther, not just Begetter. Gender diversity is honored by the Black Madonna and so too is gender preference.

Whoa. Who told you this? Were the paintings talking to you?

The Black Madonna, the Great Mother, is not homophobic. She welcomes the diversity of sexual preferences that are also part of creation, human and more than human.

Everything he wrote is disturbing but that last sentence is way out there. After reading it - serious drug abuse is the most reasonable explanation. It's just too bizarre. Thank God that the Vatican kicked him out. Saint Dominic pray for us. Send that dog with the torch to help find these people.

12 posted on 03/15/2006 1:10:44 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
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To: sionnsar
The Black Madonna calls us to cosmology, a sense of the whole of space and time. Because she is dark and leads us into the dark, the Black Madonna is also cosmic. She is the great cosmic Mother on whose lap all creation exists. The universe itself is embraced and mothered by her. She yanks us out of our anthropocentrism and back into a state of honoring all our relations. She ushers in an era of cosmology, of our relationship to the whole (“kosmos” means whole in Greek) instead of just parts, be they nation parts or ethnic parts or religious parts or private parts. She pulls us out of the Newtonian parts-based relation to self and the world—out of our tribalism—into a relationship to the whole again. Since we are indeed inheriting a new cosmology in our time, a new “Universe Story”, the timing of the Black Madonna’s return could not be more fortuituous. She brings a blessing of the new cosmology, a sense of the sacred, to the task of educating our species in a new universe story.

ROFLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! What else is there to say? You know the sad thing was there was not much catechesis done in my old ECUSA parish on the classical articles of faith. But, boy, did 'Ol Matt Fox sure get quoted quite a lot. And the goddess worshipers lapped it all up.

13 posted on 03/15/2006 1:20:58 PM PST by Carolina
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To: sionnsar
Did I happen to mention that Matt Fox is still an Episcopal clergyman?

My (former) United Methodist congregation was promoting a "Bible Study" using Fox's Coming of the Cosmic Christ years ago. It was one of the biggest reasons why I left the UMC and have never looked back.

14 posted on 03/15/2006 5:53:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:5)
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To: Pyro7480
Upon further reflection, as they say, I see that you are right.

Well, Fox is still a nut, anyhow. A Wiccan friend of mine gave me a couple of his books "just to show me" that Christians really accepted Wiccans.

That might be true I guess . . . if he was a Christian, but he obviously hasn't been one for quite some time.

I can't decide whether to give the books away or just trash them. I've never read (or tried to read) such a farrago of doped-up nonsense. The books are just like this article . .. only 2 or 300 pages of it.

15 posted on 03/15/2006 6:40:12 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: TotusTuus
See previous post - Johnson did indeed write that. My apologies - I guess I was stunned by the overall Cheech-and-Chong miasma emanating from the article.

Thank goodness Fox decided to decamp for the Whiskeypalians.

16 posted on 03/15/2006 6:41:30 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
Thank goodness Fox decided to decamp for the Whiskeypalians.

He's not the only one. I hate searching back through blogs on slow dialup, but somewhere... hmmm... found it!

Via titusonenine, it's the liberal Salty Vicar on Letter from a Young Catholic.

17 posted on 03/15/2006 9:13:59 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Libs: Celebrate MY diversity! | Iran Azadi 2006)
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To: sionnsar
From Our Lady's Warrios>Dissent>Speakers and Authors

Theology Incompatible with the Catholic Faith
 
Matthew Fox Author of the book "Creation Spirituality" and the founder of a movement with the same name, he was investigated by the Vatican and subsequently dismissed from the Dominican Order in 1993. Creation Spirituality has 10 Principles which replace the 10 Commandments, among which are claims of "Divinity is as much Mother as Father" and "That we experience that the Divine is in all things and all things are in the Divine (Panentheism)." Panentheism is an old heresy which has been resurrected in New Age thought. He has "Techno-Cosmic Masses" which "integrates live music, electronica, multi-media imagery and eastern and indigenous spiritual elements to create a multi-cultural, intergenerational and ecumenical form of worship." The real Catholic Mass makes Jesus Christ present in His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. Fox claims that Christianity has been spiritually destitute ever since St. Augustine came up with the doctrine of original sin. (Friends of Creation Spirituality is also part of Call to Action's Catholic Organizations for Renewal).

Public Supporters of Dissident Organizations

Matthew Fox Supporter of Catholic Organizations for Renewal (Friends of Creation Spirituality).

18 posted on 03/15/2006 10:58:15 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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Hooo-boy! I see Matthew I-used-to-be-catholic-than-changed-to-episcopalian-but-I'm-really-a-nocount-New-Age-pagan-full-of-myself Fox is blathering nonsense again! He fits right in with a large portion of the current episcopagan "leadership." He doesn't just take a bit of peyote, he downs half a bowlful and then tops it off with a long session with a strong Colombian red from his hookah!

Bugs Bunny had this type of character pegged in his immortal quip: "What a maroon!"


19 posted on 03/16/2006 5:21:04 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (The "religion of peace" is actually the religion of constant rage and riots.)
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To: sionnsar

Why do those who hate Christ so much pretend to be Christian? That is what always confuses me. This guy would be much more comfortable in a coven rather than a church.

I will pray for his soul, and those he is leading astray.


20 posted on 03/16/2006 6:05:47 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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