Did Pope Perform Miracle After His Death?

washingtonpost.com ^ | NICOLE WINFIELD

[tbird5]

OME -- The sudden recovery of a young French nun suffering from Parkinson's disease is at the heart of the sainthood case for Pope John Paul II, the Polish priest who heads the inquiry said Monday.

The Vatican needs to confirm a miracle after John Paul's death for the pontiff to be beatified, the first step toward his possible canonization.

Monsignor Slawomir Oder told The Associated Press in an interview that an official inquiry into the nun's inexplicable recovery was beginning this week.

[Labyrinthos]

Are there any saints or miracle-workers, that are not Catholic?

Saint Patrick was not a Catholic.

[frogjerk]

That depends on how you look at it. Every saint has his or her miracles.

Every saint does not have his or her miracle. Martyred saints don't necessarily have miracles attached to them.

[MineralMan]

"How does one know if it is supernatural or involves a deity?"

Deities ARE supernatural entities.

[mike182d]

Saint Patrick was not a Catholic.

St. Patrick was a Catholic Bishop commissioned by Rome to conver the pagans in Ireland.

[ThinkDifferent]

There are miracles around you every day.

Certainly there are improbable things that happen every day, but that should be expected given the huge number of events that occur. If a disease is 99.9% fatal, then 10 people out of 10,000 sufferers will have "miraculous" recoveries.

[mike182d]

What happens if it's declared a miracle then she has a relapse?

How would it be any less a miracle? Do all miracles demand permenance?

If the blind mind Jesus healed later relapse into blindness because of natural old age before he died, would that have in any way negated the miracle of his initial healing?

[frogjerk]

While lay persons may participate in the process, the final determination is made solely by the church.

And you would expect it wouldn't?

[mike182d]

Certainly there are improbable things that happen every day, but that should be expected given the huge number of events that occur. If a disease is 99.9% fatal, then 10 people out of 10,000 sufferers will have "miraculous" recoveries.

That's why the Church is so skeptical.

Now, if a person with AIDS is cured...

[xsmommy]

no, please, feel free to rag on the Catholic church. it's just a silly personal problem i have that i get annoyed at those who are not members of my Church, whofeel that their opinions should somehow be valued.

and i truly appreciate your equating Catholicism with Islam. REALLY nice touch.

[frogjerk]

Saint Patrick was not a Catholic.

You probably mean Saint Patrick wasn't Irish. He certainly was Catholic.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Just following your reasoning. I didn't make the statement. In fact, I doubt it is a religion to begin with. But, I should hold a strong opinion about any faith I don't belong to, right?

[onyx]

Saint Patrick was most assuredly Roman Catholic.

Here, check for yourself: http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Mar1997/feature1.asp

[It's me]

You nincompoop, yes he was.

He was not born a Cahtolic but converted and then converted Ireland.

[InvisibleChurch]

Well, Christ performs the miracles through people.It may just be that the Catholics are more on the lookout for miracles performed through Catholics. It's kind of goofy that Karol is performing miracles from beyond the grave. He is dead and will rise at the Resurrection. Saints are all the followers of Christ.

[Labyrinthos]

St. Patrick was a Catholic Bishop commissioned by Rome to conver the pagans in Ireland.

Then where diod I read that he wasn't a Catholic? I wouldn't make something likke that up and I'm not that old to suffer forgetful.

[reagan_fanatic]

Myself, I'm not big on miracles.

Oh, come on - surely you jest ;)

[onyx]

You might want to read about Saint Patrick's life:

http://www.americancatholic.org/Messenger/Mar1997/feature1.asp

[MineralMan]

Of course the determination is made by the church. To whom else is it of importance?

Parkinson's Disease is often diagnosed by mistake. There is no test available that can positively identify the disease. It's a process of elimination. You eliminate all the other movement disorders that can mimic Parkinson's. Some of these mimics can end up with spontaneous remissions.

You see the problem? The nun is supposed to have had Parkinson's disease, but there is no diagnostic test for that disease. Perhaps she did not have that disease at all. Unless she went through a long series of tests to eliminate many other illnesses that have similar symptoms, there's no way to know.

[frogjerk]

Then where diod I read that he wasn't a Catholic? I wouldn't make something likke that up and I'm not that old to suffer forgetful.

Like I said, you probably mean that Saint Patrick wasn't Irish, he was Scottish by birth.

[The Lumster]

Like most Catholics you don't even seem to know what your own church teaches

After John Paul died on April 2, the woman's superior-general asked all the other sisters in their community in France to pray to the late pope to intervene to help the woman. On June 2, she was cured, Oder said.

Sounds to me like they were praying for the pope to intervene. And that my friend is idolatry because

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;1Tim 2:5

one mediator and that is Jesus. Anyone seeking healing should go directly to the Lord Jesus not a dead pope