Catholic House Democrats Beg to Dissent from Church Teaching on Abortion

Vivificat! - A Personal Catholic Blog of News, Commentary, Opinion, and Reflections ^ | 2 March 2006 | Teófilo

[Teófilo]

Blunders. Typos. Mine.

[Teófilo]

I found the "Statement" which may be read at the URL below. I'll modify the post on the blog accordingly.

http://www.house.gov/delauro/press/2006/February/catholic_statement_2_28_06.html

-Theo

[Teófilo]

PING!!

[edcoil]

Only 55 - heck, wasn't it 27 that voted a few years back to approve post-birth abortion? As in after the birth, putting them in a private room with no food so they would die.

[Nihil Obstat]

I will be shocked if by this weekend one of the US Cardinals or major ArchBishops does not put the smack down on these fools. My money is on Chaput or Burke, but it would be great if it's one of the Cardinals. Especially a certain Cardinal-to-be from the archdiocese that curses us with a lot of the high-profile pro-death CINO Dims.

[trisham]

Certain currents of modern thought have gone so far as to exalt freedom to such an extent that it becomes an absolute, which would then be the source of values. This is the direction taken by doctrines which have lost the sense of the transcendent which are explicitly atheist.

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No punches pulled here. It's good to see.

[Teófilo]

Folks, these are the "Catholic" Democrat Members of Congress who signed Congresswoman DeLauro's aforementioned "Statement of Principles By Fifty-Five Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives," where they flaunt Catholic moral teaching in favor of a misguided appeal to "the supremacy of conscience":

Anna Eshoo
Bart Stupak
Betty McCollum
Bill Pascrell
Carolyn McCarthy
Charles A. Gonzalez
Cynthia McKinney
Dale E. Kildee
David R. Obey
Dennis A. Cardoza
Diane Watson
Ed Pastor
Edward J. Markey
Frank Pallone
Gene Taylor
George Miller
Grace Napolitano
Hilda L. Solis
James L. Oberstar
James P. McGovern
James P. Moran
James R. Langevin
Jim Costa
Jim Marshall
Joe Baca
John B. Larson
John T. Salazar
Jose Serrano
Joseph Crowley
Lane Evans
Linda T. Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Luis V. Gutierrez
Marty Meehan
Maurice Hinchey
Michael Capuano
Michael H. Michaud
Mike Doyle
Mike Thompson
Nancy Pelosi
Nydia Velazquez
Patrick J. Kennedy
Peter A. DeFazio
Raul M. Grijalva
Richard E. Neal
Robert Brady
Rosa L. DeLauro
Silvestre Reyes
Stephen Lynch
Tim Holden
Tim Ryan
William Delahunt
Wm. Lacy Clay
Xavier Becerra

[Remole]

Two other documents of the Magisterium need to be added to this discussion to clarify the severity of this stance taken by these Catholic legislators.

The first is the encyclical of JOhn Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, where he condemns in the strongest possible language the choice of voluntary abortion; in the opinion of many reliable Catholic Theologians, JP II's statement is an instance of the infallible extraordinary magisterium.

The other is a statement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith from 2002, on the responsibility of the Catholic layperson and expecially Catholic legislator active in public life. The document makes a strong point that, while a variety of political parties and options are permissible, there can be no compromise on issues of fundamental human dignity.

These legislators have entered the public realm with this document; and so it is necessary for the relevant bishops to similarly enter the public realm with a response. This challenge to Catholic teaching and to the responsibility of the Catholic legislator cannot go unremarked.

[Convert from ECUSA]

Hmmmmm. Something I'd like to see issued from the Vatican:

Memo to: Anna Eshoo
Bart Stupak
Betty McCollum
Bill Pascrell
Carolyn McCarthy
Charles A. Gonzalez
Cynthia McKinney
Dale E. Kildee
David R. Obey
Dennis A. Cardoza
Diane Watson
Ed Pastor
Edward J. Markey
Frank Pallone
Gene Taylor
George Miller
Grace Napolitano
Hilda L. Solis
James L. Oberstar
James P. McGovern
James P. Moran
James R. Langevin
Jim Costa
Jim Marshall
Joe Baca
John B. Larson
John T. Salazar
Jose Serrano
Joseph Crowley
Lane Evans
Linda T. Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Luis V. Gutierrez
Marty Meehan
Maurice Hinchey
Michael Capuano
Michael H. Michaud
Mike Doyle
Mike Thompson
Nancy Pelosi
Nydia Velazquez
Patrick J. Kennedy
Peter A. DeFazio
Raul M. Grijalva
Richard E. Neal
Robert Brady
Rosa L. DeLauro
Silvestre Reyes
Stephen Lynch
Tim Holden
Tim Ryan
William Delahunt
Wm. Lacy Clay
Xavier Becerra

From: His Holiness Pope Bendict XVI

N-O! Which part of that word are you having trouble understanding?!?!?!? Now cut the bupkus or exit out the door and don't let it hit your cabooses as you leave!

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Anathematize them all. What are we waiting for?

Pope: "Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of the Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive N-- himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment."

"Fiat, fiat, fiat."

[Hermann the Cherusker]

"... let [them] be stricken with anathema maranatha, i.e. may [they] be damned at the coming of the Lord, may [they] have [their] place with Judas Iscariot, [they] and [their] companions. Amen."

(4th Council of Toledo)

[Antoninus]

Cardinal Bernadin's "seemless garment" is alive and well and still being used as a cover for supporting baby-killers.

[armydoc]

Pope: "Wherefore in the name of God the All-powerful, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, of the Blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of all the saints, in virtue of the power which has been given us of binding and loosing in Heaven and on earth, we deprive N-- himself and all his accomplices and all his abettors of the Communion of the Body and Blood of Our Lord, we separate him from the society of all Christians, we exclude him from the bosom of our Holy Mother the Church in Heaven and on earth, we declare him excommunicated and anathematized and we judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment."

I'm assuming this is an "official" anathmatization statement from the Church? If so, could you explain it? How does someone get sent to Hell, "do penance and satisfy the Church", and then be saved on the day of judgement?

[Alex Murphy]

Ping for later

[Campion]

No, it's saying that he's (in the opinion of the Church) going to hell unless he repents and does penance. The last clause (beginning "we deliver him to Satan") is quoting 1 Cor 5:5. You can ask St. Paul what it means. :-)

There's nothing theologically strange going on. It's a threat that the recipient needs to shape up or he's going to the bad place.

[Salvation]

Do we have a list of these CINOS?

[Robertsll]

Yes, I think someone may have been reading it too fast. I do that all the time.

"We judge him condemned to eternal fire with Satan and his angels and all the reprobate, so long as he will not burst the fetters of the demon, do penance and satisfy the Church; we deliver him to Satan to mortify his body, that his soul may be saved on the day of judgment."

[Convert from ECUSA]

From comment #7:

Folks, these are the "Catholic" Democrat Members of Congress who signed Congresswoman DeLauro's aforementioned "Statement of Principles By Fifty-Five Catholic Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives," where they flaunt Catholic moral teaching in favor of a misguided appeal to "the supremacy of conscience":

Anna Eshoo
Bart Stupak
Betty McCollum
Bill Pascrell
Carolyn McCarthy
Charles A. Gonzalez
Cynthia McKinney
Dale E. Kildee
David R. Obey
Dennis A. Cardoza
Diane Watson
Ed Pastor
Edward J. Markey
Frank Pallone
Gene Taylor
George Miller
Grace Napolitano
Hilda L. Solis
James L. Oberstar
James P. McGovern
James P. Moran
James R. Langevin
Jim Costa
Jim Marshall
Joe Baca
John B. Larson
John T. Salazar
Jose Serrano
Joseph Crowley
Lane Evans
Linda T. Sanchez
Loretta Sanchez
Lucille Roybal-Allard
Luis V. Gutierrez
Marty Meehan
Maurice Hinchey
Michael Capuano
Michael H. Michaud
Mike Doyle
Mike Thompson
Nancy Pelosi
Nydia Velazquez
Patrick J. Kennedy
Peter A. DeFazio
Raul M. Grijalva
Richard E. Neal
Robert Brady
Rosa L. DeLauro
Silvestre Reyes
Stephen Lynch
Tim Holden
Tim Ryan
William Delahunt
Wm. Lacy Clay
Xavier Becerra

[kittymyrib]

Liberalism is the true religion of these "Catholics", and abortion, multiculturalism, and feminism are their sacraments. The Catholic Church should have excommunicated this nest of vipers long ago to preserve its own credibility. Instead, they've been catered to.

[kittymyrib]

The word you want is "flout", not "flaunt"....just a linguistic bug of mine.