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To: TradicalRC
"It does not have a group of weak and fallible men claiming to be the only ones who can accurately interpret SCRIPTURE. Your institution is obviously man made and prone to error as all man made things are.
Backatcha."
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Thank you for agreeing that the Magisterium is prone to error.

This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are. Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE. Catholic's, on the other hand, will defend to the death their church even when they know it's wrong.

Is this dichotomy because Catholics are taught that defending their church is the same as defending their faith, or is it because the church claims to control their justification?
595 posted on 02/16/2006 8:17:36 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: wmfights
Catholic's, on the other hand, will defend to the death their church even when they know it's wrong.

Oh? Has any Catholic admitted on here the Catholic Church was wrong on what it teaches in matters of faith or morals?

596 posted on 02/16/2006 8:19:28 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: wmfights
Thank you for agreeing that the Magisterium is prone to error.

Please don't put words in my mouth. People are prone to error. The Magisterium with regard to faith and morals is not.

This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are.

Catholics Are Christians.

Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE.

Yet they keep on dividing and dividing, don't they? When will the protestant churches ever learn that all have sinned and that the holier than thou trick ends up with an increasingly smaller group of sinners? Catholics recognize original sin and the fallibility of man. Prots seem to think that if the people we agree with on Scripture form our own church, we'll be untainted. Sorry, I don't think so, otherwise all of the so-called Bible believing Christians would be in one church.

Is this dichotomy because Catholics are taught that defending their church is the same as defending their faith, or is it because the church claims to control their justification?

God gave us the Church and His promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

603 posted on 02/16/2006 8:42:23 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: wmfights; TradicalRC
This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are. Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE. Catholic's, on the other hand, will defend to the death their church even when they know it's wrong.

Note -- Catholics ARE Christians. The Apostolic Churches (from East to west) are:
  1. The Assyrian Church (it has it's counterpart the Chaldean Catholic Church which is part of the 22 Catholic churchs that form the Catholic Church).
  2. The Oriental Churchs (The Armenian, Syrian Orthodox, Coptic, Ethiopian) -- they have counterparts in both Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churchs.
  3. The Eastern Orthodox Churchs (the Russian, Greek, Serbian, Bulgarian, Romanian etc.).
  4. The Catholic Churchs (22 Churchs: the Latin, the Maronite, the Syro-Malankara, the Syro-Malabar, the Chaldean etc.)

Debatable, but many do add (and I'm not learned enough to agree or disagree) in the Churchs that agree to Apostolic Succession -- like some Lutherans, Anglicans etc.

Beyond the Apostolic Churchs you have the groups that broke away and are outside the Apostolic Church -- they PROTEST basic dogma (e.g. free will versus robots condemned to heck or not among many other things) -- so, your group would belong to this PROTESTANT Christian grouping.  Within the PROTESTANT Christian grouping you have you might say there are 5 or 6 generations of thought:

  1. first gen groups like the Anglicans, the Lutherans, the Calvinists etc.,
  2. the Second gen like (perhaps) the Arminians, the Methodists, the Wesleyans, 
  3. the third gen namely the Baptists (original), 
  4. the fourth gen namely the various Baptist groupings,
  5. the fifth gen deviates two opposite ways:
    1. namely the self-named "Evangelical" groups -- all the mega-assemblies. 
    2. You may also say that the fifth gen includes extremely further deviations from orthodox teachings like the present ECUSA teachings or the Mormons or the Unitarians or the Jehovah's witnesses

As I've shown above -- the final teachings of Unitarianism (Universal or "Christian") or Mormon doesn't seem so strange if you go by the above lines of progressions.  That's what happens with deviation from God's teachings -- the first make a few changes that don't seem like too much, but where does it all end?  It's like the Anglican Church first said that contraception was fine, then that abortion was fine, then gay bishops and marriages were part of god's will.

 


750 posted on 02/16/2006 8:26:18 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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