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To: wmfights
Thank you for agreeing that the Magisterium is prone to error.

Please don't put words in my mouth. People are prone to error. The Magisterium with regard to faith and morals is not.

This point is a perfect example of how different Christians and Catholics are.

Catholics Are Christians.

Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE.

Yet they keep on dividing and dividing, don't they? When will the protestant churches ever learn that all have sinned and that the holier than thou trick ends up with an increasingly smaller group of sinners? Catholics recognize original sin and the fallibility of man. Prots seem to think that if the people we agree with on Scripture form our own church, we'll be untainted. Sorry, I don't think so, otherwise all of the so-called Bible believing Christians would be in one church.

Is this dichotomy because Catholics are taught that defending their church is the same as defending their faith, or is it because the church claims to control their justification?

God gave us the Church and His promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

603 posted on 02/16/2006 8:42:23 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: TradicalRC
"Please don't put words in my mouth. People are prone to error. The Magisterium with regard to faith and morals is not."

How do you explain their failure to recognize SCRIPTURE instructing us we are justified by faith alone.
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"Christians will leave a church and form a new one, or join another denomination if they find doctrine contrary to SCRIPTURE.

Yet they keep on dividing and dividing, don't they? When will the protestant churches ever learn that all have sinned and that the holier than thou trick ends up with an increasingly smaller group of sinners?"

It seems that in the defense of your church you are the one claiming that it can't sin. Look above to your comment about the magisterium. Are you now recognizing your church is fallible?

BTW the fastest growing denominations in the world are Evangelical.
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"God gave us the Church and His promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it."

You are wrong. GOD gave us JESUS CHRIST and because of our faith in him we are saved and become members of his CHURCH.
618 posted on 02/16/2006 9:19:02 AM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: TradicalRC; wmfights
Exactly -- the problem with personal interpretation is that it is made without any background understanding -- so many readers of the Bible light on the verse "Jesus and His brothers and sisters" and say "AHA!! He HAD brothers and sisters -- perhaps they were born of Mary or just step-siblings" -- these people do not know that in the middle east and even in Greece it is common to call your cousins (first and second) your brothers and sisters.

The Cultural context isn't bothered to be looked into. The Filioque is another case of such a problem -- it was originally put in by Spanish priests combating a heresy: while they MEANT what the Orthodox teach, the way they put it seemed heretical to the Orthodox.
752 posted on 02/16/2006 8:32:19 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Ultra-Catholic)
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