[jecIIny]

This is a Catholic perpesctive. But it makes some good points. I would refer readers to the source for some interesting comments from readers at Al Kimel's web site. And now I will crawl into my bomb shelter and await the counter battery fire. :-)

[jecIIny]

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[RnMomof7]

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

[jjm2111]

ping for later. I grew up RC but became born again while on deployment. I work in NYC and would appreciate if anyone knew of some Bible studies or fellowship in Manhattan during the week, I would appreciate it.

[bremenboy]

The doctrine of "church infallibility" was developed in the apostate church or the system now known as Catholicism as a matter of necessity. Having departed from scriptural ground for its doctrine and practice and therefore being unable to justify such by the scriptures, it became necessary to substitute one standard for another in order to satisfy the minds of those who might be interested enough to question any matter. What better way could this be done than by convincing its gullible adherents that what the church does is unquestionably right, that it is infallible in its every decision and hence needs no Bible proof for anything? As a result of this concept which has been adhered to for centuries, Catholics scoff at any attempt to question them on the basis of the teaching of the scriptures. They have lost all respect for God's word because this standard was discarded for another.
THE TESTIMONY OF PAPAL CONTRADICTIONS.
· Victor (192 ) first approved of Montanism, then condemned it.
· Marcellinus (296-303) was an idolater. He entered the temple of Vesta and offered incense to the goddess.
C. Liberius (358) demnation profession o be recalled in his see.
D. Honorius (625) adhered to Monothelitism.
E. Gregory I calls any one antichrist who takes the name of Universal Bishop, and contrarywise Boniface III made the parricide Emperor Phocas confer that title upon him.
F. Paschal II (1088-99) and Eugenius III (1145-53 ) authorized duelling. Julius II (1909 ) and Pius IV (1560) forbade it.
G. Eugenius IV (1432-39) approved of the Council of Basle and the restitution of the chalice to the church of Bohemia. Pius II (1458) revoked the concession.
H. Hadrian II (867-872) declared civil marriages to be valid. Pius VII (180023 ) condemned them.
· Sixtus V (1585-90) published an edition of the Bible, and by a bull recommended it to be read. Pius VII condemned the reading of it.
J. Clement XIV (1769-1774) abolished the order of the Jesuits, permitted by Paul III, and Pius VII re-established it.
K. Strossmayer speaking, says: "But why look for such remote proofs? Has not our holy Father here present, in his bull which gave the rules for this this Council, in the event of his dying while it was sitting, revoked all that in past times may be contrary to it, even when that proceeds from the decisions of his predecessors?"
L. Stephen XI caused the body of Formosus to be exhumed and dressed in pontifical robes. He had his fingers cut off which had been used for giving the benediction, and then had his body thrown into the Tiber, declaring him to be a perjurer and illegitimate. Romanus, successor to Stephen, and after him, John X, rehabilitated the memory of Formosus.
(Strossmayer mentions the wickedness in the lives of various popes, mentioning John XI (931), John XII (956), Alexander VI).
· John XXIII (1410) because of simony and immorality was deposed by Ecumenical Council of Constance. "Some will maintain that this Council was only a private one; let it be so; but if you refuse any authority to it, as a logical sequence you must hold the nomination of Martin V (1417 ) to be illegal. What, then, will become of the papal succession? Can you find the thread of it?" (Strossmayer).

[KC Burke]

For another interesting Item to read and reflect upon, I suggest a short view of Thomas Oden, an evangelical scholar, who would bring all the orthodox views together, whether Catholic orthodox, evangelical orthodox or any tradional view of chistianity. He has a great book out call The Rebirth of Ortodoxy but a short summary of some of his views is HERE

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[HarleyD]

The formal principles of all these productions of egotism were the same; all asserted that Holy Writ, abstracted from Tradition and from the Church, is at once the sole source of religious truth, and the sole standard of its knowledge for the individual. This formal principle, common to all parties separated from the Church;—to the Gnostic of the second century, and the Albigensian and Vaudois of the twelfth, to the Sabellian of the third, the Arian of the fourth, and the Nestorian of the fifth century—this principle, we say, led to the most contradictory belief…. [The Catholic] is freely convinced, that the Church is a divine institution , upheld by supernal aid, ‘which leads her into all truth;

Arianism was a 4th-century Christian heresy named for Arius (c.250-c.336), a priest in Alexandria. Arius denied the full deity of the preexistent Son of God who became incarnate in Jesus Christ.

In Christianity, Sabellianism (also known as modalism) is the third-century belief that the three persons of the Trinity are merely different modes or aspects of God, rather than three distinct persons. It is attributed to Sabellius, who taught a form of this doctrine in Rome in the third century.

Nestorius (c.386–c.451) was a pupil of Theodore of Mopsuestia in Antioch in Syria and later became Patriarch of Constantinople.

It’s a little disingenuous of the author to suggest the Church “leads to all truth” when many of the errors he brings up had their origins from people within the Church.

[P-Marlowe]

Yeah those who base their faith on the bible alone are...

clearly missing an opportunity to show reverence to other books.

[TexConfederate1861]

Here we go again....ducking for cover :)

[SuzyQue]

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[DoNotDivide]

This must be Catholic cr@pola.

[sauropod]

review

[johnk]

"Who is this author to say 'he who grounds his faith on scripture only has no faith'?"

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. (KJV)

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (KJV)

The faith=the gospel

To properly understand faith... Isaiah 28:10 KJV says, For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little That's not reading. That's study, Bible study.

Meditate: From Websters states the following:

MEDITA'TION, n. L.meditatio. Close or continued thought; the turning or revolving of a subject in the mind; serious contemplation.

That's what God wants us to do with His Scriptures. It's to enjoy it. The Bible is not fast food. Slow down and relish each verse.

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