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Vatican moves to clear Judas’ name
YNet News ^ | Jan. 12, 2006

Posted on 01/12/2006 7:42:57 AM PST by Alouette

Proposed ‘rehabilitation’ of the man who was paid 30 pieces of silver to identify Jesus to Roman soldiers in the Garden of Gethsemane, comes on the ground that he was not deliberately evil, but was just ‘fulfilling his part in God’s plan, the London Times reports

Judas Iscariot, the disciple who betrayed Jesus with a kiss, is to be given a makeover by Vatican scholars, according to the London Times.

The proposed “rehabilitation” of the man who was paid 30 pieces of silver to identify Jesus to Roman soldiers in the Garden of Gethsemane, comes on the ground that he was not deliberately evil, but was just “fulfilling his part in God’s plan,” the London Times said.

Christians have traditionally blamed Judas for aiding and abetting the Crucifixion, and his name is synonymous with treachery. According to St Luke, Judas was “possessed by Satan.”

According to the London Times, a campaign led by Monsignor Walter Brandmuller, head of the Pontifical Committee for Historical Science, is aimed at persuading believers to look kindly at a man reviled for 2,000 years.

Mgr Brandmuller told fellow scholars it was time for a “re-reading” of the Judas story. He is supported by Vittorio Messori, a prominent Catholic writer close to both Pope Benedict XVI and the late John Paul II.

Signor Messori said that the rehabilitation of Judas would “resolve the problem of an apparent lack of mercy by Jesus toward one of his closest collaborators.”

He told La Stampa that there was a Christian tradition that held that Judas was forgiven by Jesus and ordered to purify himself with “spiritual exercises” in the desert.

'Judas portrayed with a hooked nose'

In scholarly circles, it has long been unfashionable to demonize Judas and Catholics in Britain are likely to welcome Judas’ rehabilitation.

The London Times quoted Father Allen Morris, Christian Life and Worship secretary for the Catholic Bishops of England and Wales, as saying, “If Christ died for all — is it possible that Judas too was redeemed through the Master he betrayed?”

The “rehabilitation” of Judas could help the Pope’s drive to improve Christian-Jewish relations, which he has made a priority of his pontificate.

Some Bible experts say Judas was “a victim of a theological libel which helped to create anti Semitism” by forming an image of him as a “sinister villain” prepared to betray for money.

In many medieval plays and paintings Judas is portrayed with a hooked nose and exaggerated Semitic features. In Dante’s Inferno, Judas is relegated to the lowest pits of Hell, where he is devoured by a three-headed demon.

The move to clear Judas’s name coincides with plans to publish the alleged Gospel of Judas for the first time in English, German and French. Though not written by Judas, it is said to reflect the belief among early Christians — now gaining ground in the Vatican — that in betraying Christ Judas was fulfilling a divine mission, which led to the arrest and Crucifixion of Jesus and hence to man’s salvation, according to the London Times.

'Fell headlong'

Mgr Brandmuller said that he expected “no new historical evidence” from the supposed gospel, which had been excluded from the canon of accepted Scripture.

But it could “serve to reconstruct the events and context of Christ’s teachings as they were seen by the early Christians.” This included that Jesus had always preached “forgiveness for one’s enemies.”

Some Vatican scholars have expressed concern over the reconsideration of Judas. Monsignor Giovanni D’Ercole, a Vatican theologian, said it was “dangerous to re-evaluate Judas and muddy the Gospel accounts by reference to apocryphal writings. This can only create confusion in believers.”

The Gospels tell how Judas later returned the 30 pieces of silver — his “blood money” — and hanged himself, or according to the Acts of the Apostles, “fell headlong and burst open so that all his entrails burst out."


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; General Discusssion; History; Judaism; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: accept; agoodthing; badtheology; godsgravesglyphs; insane; iscariot; judas; reinventingjudas
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To: P-Marlowe
Where do you get the idea that his body hung until the rope broke?

I never said "The rope broke". I said he went and hung himself and his body, neglected and ignored, eventually rotted and came crashing down on its own. When it hit the ground it literally burst open.

141 posted on 01/12/2006 4:57:23 PM PST by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

I like my theory better. :-)


142 posted on 01/12/2006 5:03:04 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Alouette; jo kus; annalex; Petrosius; Cronos; Kolokotronis
What a crock! The author is confusing the Church with the Protestants. Authenitc Christianity knows that God's plan has been fulfilled (Jn 19:30)

Judas committed suicide, so even if he repented of his betrayal, he still went to hell.

143 posted on 01/12/2006 6:00:01 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Alouette
The move to clear Judas’s name coincides with plans to publish the alleged Gospel of Judas for the first time in English, German and French. Though not written by Judas, it is said to reflect the belief among early Christians — now gaining ground in the Vatican — that in betraying Christ Judas was fulfilling a divine mission, which led to the arrest and Crucifixion of Jesus and hence to man’s salvation, according to the London Times

Sounds like Gnostics are looing for some notoriety! Early "Christians" included all sorts of rag-tag self-appointed belevers in Christ. Is Elaine Pagels behind this? I wouldn't be surprised.

144 posted on 01/12/2006 6:05:27 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Alouette
According to St Luke, Judas was “possessed by Satan.”

Well, then there is nothing to correct. Gospels are not something you re-negotiate. Judas gave in to evil, plain and simple. The next thing the anti-Christian coalition will try will be to rehabilitate the Jewish High Priest and Pontius Pilate. I guess, they too were "fulfilling God's plan." Someone has been reading Calvin again.

145 posted on 01/12/2006 6:10:31 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: magisterium; P-Marlowe

Choked himself? Ha, little naive -- have you tried that. Hint: you pass out and you stop choking yourself....nice try in linguistics.


146 posted on 01/12/2006 6:13:58 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Choked himself? Ha, little naive -- have you tried that. Hint: you pass out and you stop choking yourself....nice try in linguistics.

See post 133. Actually that is a relatively common method of both deliberate and accidental suicide.

So are you in agreement with joesbucks that the scriptures are irreparably contradictory? Do you have no faith whatsoever in the inerrancy of the scripture?

147 posted on 01/12/2006 6:29:38 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: EequalsMC2
In regards to the "unforgivable" sin of suicide, however, it may be that the person is too weak or forlorn to believe forgiveness could ever be offered.

Where does the idea come from than suicide if unforgivable???

148 posted on 01/12/2006 6:48:16 PM PST by Iscool (Start your own revolution by voting for the candidates the media (and gov't) tells you cannot win.)
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To: Blessed
Why did he feel the need to do it?Why was it front page news? Simple answer it was a commonly held heresy within the Catholic Church.

While an odious belief, I don't believe it falls under the charge of "heresy". Heresy would make one not a Christian, technically speaking, and while some Christians here (nudge nudge, wink wink) would love to think the Catholics heretics, I think that's a rather serious charge to make.
149 posted on 01/12/2006 7:22:29 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Phsstpok
I actually choose to believe that Jesus has specifically cherished Judas' soul through the centuries of guilt that he has suffered for his acts. It was necessary for someone to play this part. Judas was the "sacrificial lamb" that made the Lamb of God's necessary sacrifice happen.

Sounds like you're arguing from some sort of pre-destination position, leaving out free will.

Judas was not a puppet on a string. He used his free will (which all humans have) to betray His Master for money.
150 posted on 01/12/2006 7:24:06 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Phsstpok

Any reason you're acting so aggressively? I don't think it's necessary to call that poster a Satanist.


151 posted on 01/12/2006 7:25:54 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Phsstpok

I do not have a dog in this fight but for someone who keeps insiting that you are humble, contrite etc. you sure do throw around a great many judgemental adjectives at others (" I am humbler than you are, haha ") Frankly, to stress another's alleged hubris and arrogance and then to pretend you are only doing so because of your most contrite attittude is at best vaguely comical. Read your post and think about the contradictions therin.


152 posted on 01/12/2006 7:28:01 PM PST by Bainbridge
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To: Blessed
The biggest impediment to Unity in Christianity is the refusal of Roman Catholics to take Communion with the rest of Christianity.

Huh? Let's assume by Communion you mean a literal Communion (i.e., the Eucharist). Catholics believe in the Real Presence. So do the Orthodox. Protestants do not, to varying degrees. What would be the point of engaging in some sort of false ecumenism by engaging in Communion together? Whose definition of the Communion? I could just as easily turn around say, why don't the Protestants just accept our beliefs and join us in Communion.

My argument still holds even if we're extending this idea to a more general Communion (i.e., communal worship). Again, how can we have real unity if we don't agree on much? Why pretend? The only way for us to have unity is to agree on all major doctrine. It's just as unfair to expect the Catholic Church to renounce 90% of its beliefs as it is to expect Protestants to do the same. And these are not "trivial matters".
153 posted on 01/12/2006 7:30:48 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: timsbella
Another issue, it wasn't just Judas who was a Jew - they all were - Jesus and every apostle. How does this escape the learned men?

Extreme denial.

154 posted on 01/12/2006 7:32:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: PAR35
Speak only for your own denomination, Blessed. A Roman Catholic should no more take communion from our table than I should take it from a Roman Catholic priest. "only those who profess the true religion, and who are communicants in good standing in any evangelical church...." may partake.

And it's basically the same verbiage in the Catholic Church. Only a Catholic in good standing (i.e., one who is in a state of grace, having no unforgiven mortal sin on his/her conscience) may partake.

I for one have never gotten this whole "unity for unity's sake" idea. What good does it really do to ignore all differences just to pretend we're all one? Of course, real ecumenism is a great thing.
155 posted on 01/12/2006 7:35:52 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Phsstpok
To the specifics, could Adolph Hitler now be in Heaven? My belief is YES. God has proved to us that He will forgive our sins. He proved that through His Son Jesus Christ. That includes everyone and every sin.

I recall Jesus saying that it would have been better for Judas had he never been born. I don't really think that means Jesus welcomed him into Heaven.
156 posted on 01/12/2006 7:37:41 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Iscool
Where does the idea come from than suicide if unforgivable???

Well, if you follow the Catholic/Orthodox view of sin and salvation, one who dies with mortal sins on their conscience will go to Hell. One committing suicide is committing a mortal sin (murder). Since by definition, suicide is their last act, they die committing a mortal sin.

It's the same rationale as to why divorced Catholics who have re-married without attaining an annulment of the first marriage cannot receive Communion. To receive Communion one must have no mortal sin on their conscience. However, the remarried person as described above is an adulterer. And, since they are married every second of the day, willfully, they are constantly in a state of mortal sin.

It's all very rational when you think about it.

Now if you're one of those other Christians, depending on which type you are, apparently no matter what you do, you go to Heaven. But I have a problem with that sort of thinking.
157 posted on 01/12/2006 7:43:30 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die

"I recall Jesus saying that it would have been better for Judas had he never been born. I don't really think that means Jesus welcomed him into Heaven."

Yeah, yeah. We all know the scriptural evidence looks bad for Judas. Nonetheless, all the theologians say the evidence does not prove he went to hell (the place of the damned). Logically, the possibility of a lesser punishment is left open. Theolgians are not infallible, but they're not stupid either.


158 posted on 01/12/2006 8:01:25 PM PST by brant
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To: XeniaSt

One priest does not the Holy See make.

Don't go calling my church Gnostic...the holes in your sect of Christianity are large enough to drive a truck through.


159 posted on 01/12/2006 8:01:37 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Alouette

It would be better for Judas if he had never been born.


160 posted on 01/12/2006 8:07:25 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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