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The purpose-driven pastor (Rick Warren calls Christian fundamentalists an enemy)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 08, 2006 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal

The purpose-driven pastor

By Paul Nussbaum

Inquirer Staff Writer

This week, it was the Rose Bowl players' breakfast. This month, it will be the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Then the President's prayer breakfast in Washington, followed by an entertainment industry conference in Los Angeles.

Rick Warren, the Southern Baptist preacher's son from tiny Redwood Valley, Calif., is much in demand these days.

The founding pastor of the Saddleback mega-church south of Los Angeles and the author of the best-selling The Purpose Driven Life, Warren is perhaps the most influential evangelical Christian in America.

With his book - the best-selling hardback nonfiction book in the nation - and Purpose-Driven Life videos and 40-day Bible study plans, Warren has created an unparalleled international network of millions of individuals and 400,000 churches, spanning faiths and denominations.

Now he wants to use his growing influence - and wealth - for an ambitious global attack on poverty, AIDS, illiteracy and disease.

"The New Testament says the church is the body of Christ, but for the last 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and the church has just been a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren said during a break between services at his sprawling Orange County church campus.

"I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."

Fresh from preaching to 38,000 congregants during Christmas week services, Warren was looking to the future by invoking the past.

"One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th century," said Warren, 51, shifting painfully in his chair because of a back sprain suffered during an all-terrain-vehicle romp with his 20-year-old son, Matthew. "That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of life."

Not just personal salvation, but social action. Abolishing slavery. Ending child labor. Winning the right for women to vote.

It's time for modern evangelicals to trade words for deeds and get similarly involved, Warren contends.

At the end of his second sermon last Sunday, he reminded his largely affluent Orange County audience: "Life is not about having more and getting more. It's about serving God and serving others."

That, simply put, is his message. Give your life to God, help others, spread the word. It is the same message that Christians have been preaching for 2,000 years. Warren has updated the language, added catchphrases and five-step guides, but he readily admits "there is not a new idea in that book."

The Purpose Driven Life has sold more than 24 million English-language copies since 2002, with millions more in other languages. It has been popular with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, with pastors and priests using it as a Bible-study handbook.

The book figured prominently in a hostage drama in Georgia last March. Ashley Smith, held by alleged Atlanta courthouse killer Brian Nichols, said he released her after she gave him methamphetamine and read to him from the book.

Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh ways," said Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture at the University of Southern California. He is "a very important figure in evangelical Christianity," part of a "trend we'll see more of," Miller said, citing Warren's independence, social activism, informality and ability to reach across racial and national lines.

"The Gen X-ers are sick and tired of flash and hype and marketing," Miller said. "The soft sell of a Rick Warren is far more attractive to them than a highly stylized TV presentation of the Christian message."

Among evangelicals, Warren is more influential than better-known and more-divisive figures such as religious broadcasters Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell or radio psychologist James Dobson, and is often seen as the heir to the Rev. Billy Graham as "America's pastor."

Scott L. Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, said polls of church leaders often put Warren in first or second place among most-influential evangelical leaders.

"And one of the interesting things is that he crosses boundaries... . He's not just respected by the evangelical world but by many outside that world," Thumma said.

In North Philadelphia, the Rev. Herbert Lusk, the former Philadelphia Eagles running back who is pastor of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church and a prominent supporter of President Bush, brought Warren to town in November to raise money for aid to Africa. Lusk also tutored many of the Eagles' players and coaches in the Purpose-Driven Life program last year.

Lusk said Warren "took the principles that we preach about every Sunday and packaged them in a way that are palatable for Christians and non-Christians."

"The guy is a preacher's preacher... . He's the leading evangelical in the world, unquestionably," Lusk said.

Broadly defined, evangelicals are Christians who have had a personal or "born-again" religious conversion, believe the Bible is the word of God, and believe in spreading their faith. (The term comes from Greek; to "evangelize" means to preach the gospel.) The term is typically applied to Protestants.

Millions of Americans fit the definition, although estimates vary on exactly how many. Forty-two percent of Americans described themselves as evangelical Christians in a Gallup poll in April, while 22 percent said they met all three measures in a Gallup survey in May. The National Association of Evangelicals says about 25 percent of adult Americans are evangelicals.

Evangelicals are often equated with fundamentalists or the religious right, which annoys Warren. Although he's politically conservative - opposing abortion and gay marriage and supporting the death penalty - he pushes a much broader agenda and disdains both politics and fundamentalism.

Warren is a friend of President Bush and a repeat visitor to the White House. But he also met for several hours at Saddleback last month with Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, to discuss issues such as poverty and the environment.

"I'm worried that evangelicals be identified too much with one party or the other. When that happens, you lose your prophetic role of speaking truth to power," Warren said. "And you have to defend stupid things that leaders do."

"Politics is always downstream from culture. I place less confidence in it than a lot of folks. I don't think that's the answer... . Politics is not the right tool to change the culture."

With his goatee and penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals.

His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook, is a kind of religious theme park, where worshipers meet in different buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.

Warren's father and grandfather and great-grandfather were all preachers. He followed their path by starting Saddleback in 1980 with his wife, Kay, and a congregation of seven. His ministry prospered in booming Orange County, as Warren went door-to-door, asking residents what they'd like in a church. For 15 years, he and his growing flock were nomads, meeting in schools, homes and other buildings. Construction started on the current campus in 1995, and Warren now has 80,000 names on Saddleback's rolls. Saddleback is a a Southern Baptist church, but it doesn't advertise the fact.

As the money has rolled in from his book, Warren said he has given most of the millions to the church and the three social-service foundations he has established. He stopped taking his $110,000 annual salary and repaid the church for his 25 years of salary since its founding. He and his wife became "reverse tithers," he said, keeping 10 percent of their income and giving away the rest, including $13 million in 2004.

This month, he is leading a trip to Rwanda, to train pastors and distribute medicine and money to battle AIDS and other diseases. It's part of what he calls his global PEACE plan (Plant a church, Equip leaders, Assist the poor, Care for the sick, Educate the next generation).

Last month, he launched the first major evangelical effort to battle AIDS, convening a three-day conference at Saddleback to mobilize American Christians to help AIDS victims and raise money to fight the disease. Part of the battle for Warren is overcoming resistance from evangelicals who view AIDS as strictly a gay disease or even as divine retribution for immoral behavior.

Warren said he sees religious institutions as more powerful forces than governments for solving the world's problems.

"I would trust any imam or priest or rabbi to know what is going on in a community before I would any government agency."

But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be "one of the big enemies of the 21st century."

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other."

ONLINE EXTRA

To read the rest of the series on the evangelical movement by Paul Nussbaum, visit http://go.philly.com/religion


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; evangelicals; heresy; purposedriven; rickwarren
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

Thanks for posting that link. I started to post a link myself!


81 posted on 01/10/2006 12:58:08 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Happy to be on the same thought wave. : -)


82 posted on 01/10/2006 1:00:06 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: RnMomof7
Thanks

Rick always seemed to be into marketing and not the Holy Spirit.

b'shem Y'shua

83 posted on 01/10/2006 1:02:24 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in the YHvH for ever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: Terriergal

Misleading title and it sounds like you fell for it.

Should read: Philly Newrag Hates EVERYTHING Christian


84 posted on 01/10/2006 1:03:37 PM PST by subterfuge (The Democrat party--hating American ideals for 60 years.)
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To: subterfuge

I don't think many of us recognize the Warren movement as Christian. More like "Warren's own idea of what Christian should be, and it is totally off base".


85 posted on 01/10/2006 1:06:37 PM PST by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale
" don't think many of us recognize the Warren movement as Christian. More like "Warren's own idea of what Christian should be, and it is totally off base".

Interesting. Why do you suppose so many churches are following him then? Mine did and I really didn't see the harm in it. Exactly what is the crux of his misgivings related to Christianinty? I've read a lot of conjecture here but no one is making a really good point. Just a lot of nit-picking at various interpretations of what he said, or meant.

86 posted on 01/10/2006 1:16:57 PM PST by subterfuge (The Democrat party--hating American ideals for 60 years.)
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To: subterfuge
There is a temptation to buy into anything that attaches the word "Christian" to its identity but we must be very careful.

Either Rick Warren is not grounded well in Scripture or he purposely twists it for his own benefit. Regardless of which, he certainly should not be "America's Pastor".

We must practice discernment. Remember that Satan will masquerade as an angel of light.

87 posted on 01/10/2006 1:21:10 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Terriergal; blue-duncan; xzins
I usually come to the defense of Rick Warren as I believe he has been in many cases unjustly maligned. But I am very distressed by his statements. As one who numbers himself as both an evangelical and a fundamentalist, I would have to take exception to Mr. Warren's reference to Christian Fundamentalists as "enemies." If he believes that a Fundamentalist like Jerry Falwell is his "enemy" rather than his brother in Christ, then I would dare to say that Warren himself has crossed the line from evangelical Christian to lukewarm religious secularist.

Some of his statements (if they are true) are really beyond the pale for a "non-denominational" Christian minister. For instance: "But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations." As if God's will is dependent upon Government intervention.

Often people who become popular or famous surround themselves with yes men who nod with approval at every idiotic thing the famous person says or does. I suspect that Warren may have fallen into that trap.

At any rate I'm not going to defend him on this.

88 posted on 01/10/2006 1:21:48 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: joesbucks
Reminds me of the Rabbi's question of Jesus, when they asked, "Which of God's commands is the greatest?"

Men wander into trouble by reading scripture too quickly or superficially or out of context with the rest of the Bible.

In Matthew 27:5, the scripture says of Judas, “and he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter’s field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.”

Acts 1:18-19 records the same event in a different manner, “Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem, insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood.”

Which of these is correct? Did Judas Iscariot hang himself, or did he die as a result of a fall? Through careful consideration of Scripture (Isaiah 28:10), one might see that both accounts could be correct.

It's reasonable to read the account in Acts as an abbreviated review, attributing the action of buying the field to Judas because he was the one paid for treason. The priests were his agents, in a sense. So "Judas" bought the land with his blood money - his agents handled the transaction for him.

Judas hanged himself. And he fell headlong into the Field of Blood, gushing his guts out. These do not contradict one another if you keep in mind great earthquake that took place at the time Christ Jesus sealed the New Covenant (Matthew 27:51-52). Judas is hanging from a tree when this earthquake shakes the countryside. His tree collapses, perhaps his rope breaks, and he falls - along with the tree? - and bursts open, having been hanging out in the hot sun for a while (he hanged himself "early in the morning" and Christ died around 3 PM).

Man cannot understand all that God has spoken but, by His Spirit, we can understand a great deal of it if we approach the Word of God with humility.
89 posted on 01/10/2006 1:29:05 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I've certainly been called "fundamentalist", "extremist", "Literalist", and "puritan", etc.

Anyone who has not been called any or all of those things needs to reassess their walk with Christ.

90 posted on 01/10/2006 1:35:41 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: subterfuge
Just a lot of nit-picking at various interpretations of what he said, or meant.

Clarity is important. One thing that helps is that he has lots of printed materials available to document what he says and preaches. In a review of this material you can see unbiblical or scripturally skewed preaching.
Certainly not all of it but enough that causes myself to question his overall method of preaching and what his intentions are as a Pastor.

91 posted on 01/10/2006 1:46:11 PM PST by wallcrawlr (Pray for the troops [all the troops here and abroad]: Success....and nothing less!!)
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To: subterfuge
Why do you suppose so many churches are following him then?

May I invite you to read THIS carefully and then answer your own question.

No hostility is intended. I am merely trying to open your eyes to another perspective.

92 posted on 01/10/2006 1:48:41 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Alex Murphy; All
The Pop, the Fizz, the Purpose-Driven Biz
93 posted on 01/10/2006 1:51:23 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
It saddens me to see how many people have fallen in line behind him.

Coming out of a church that pretty much swallowed Warren's programs whole, I have to say that some (won't paint all with the brush) churches that buy his seeker-sensitive approach have never learned what it means to follow and rely upon the empowerment of the Holy Spirit; they're mainly looking for a good program, implemented through proven principles of organizational management.

94 posted on 01/10/2006 1:54:23 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: TommyDale

I'd be interested in that article about home churches. Do you have a link?


95 posted on 01/10/2006 1:57:05 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: My2Cents
never learned what it means to follow and rely upon the empowerment of the Holy Spirit

Absolutely correct !!!! However I find myself still surprised to see those who should know better, sucked in. They defend it by believing "they" are saving souls.

96 posted on 01/10/2006 1:59:36 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: P-Marlowe; ItsOurTimeNow; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
Anyone who has not been called any or all of those things needs to reassess their walk with Christ.

Howabout "Calvinist"?

97 posted on 01/10/2006 2:03:10 PM PST by Alex Murphy (Proverbs 12:10)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

Ditto! The Holy Spirit saves souls not individuals. He uses us a vehicles to accomplish His work.


98 posted on 01/10/2006 2:05:26 PM PST by DarthVader (God has a hardon for Marines! Because they kill everything they see!)
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To: All
Excerpts from "The Pop, the Fizz..."

At last count, there were about eight of us who hadn't read either one of Warren's two books, The Purpose Driven Church and The Purpose Driven Life. I know it is unlikely that we can all hold out much longer, so don't be ashamed if, even now, you have a copy of PDL in your stack of bathroom reading. I know the pressure is serious. Just do the best you can, and go down with your dignity...

In "Forty Days of Purpose," we all buy the same book, and go through the ABCs together. Aside from being a rather sad testimony to the ineptness of the average pastor to convey anything of importance and the worsening ADD condition of the average church member, this is all fine, and I'm sure is helpful to many people. The time spent going over Warren's principles is better than watching reruns of "Everybody Loves Raymond," but it's hardly the arrival of the Great Awakening....

In fact, this is the first time in a while I've heard book sales so openly touted as a way of measuring the work of the Holy Spirit. With a straight face, we are supposed to believe that the sudden, unprecedented interest in Warren's books is a major move of the Holy Spirit, directing all of us to get purpose-driven and Saddlebacked...

Warren's first book was a popularization of the Seeker Sensitive principles that now live, like a virus, in the mind of thousands of formerly sane pastors. The book's success was attributable to a mild word-of-mouth and Warren's success in making the various premises of Willow-Creekism more palatable to established, traditional churches. With his missions and "soul-winning" backgrounds, Warren's PDC was a book you could give to the chairman of deacons to explain why it was really important to offend the senior adults, retire the organist and let the local rock-band play those Skynard licks in morning worship....


99 posted on 01/10/2006 2:15:08 PM PST by My2Cents (Dead people voting is the closest the Democrats come to believing in eternal life.)
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To: Terriergal

I did.


100 posted on 01/10/2006 2:17:09 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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