Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal
Liberalism (Secular Humanism) and Christianity do not mix. I have been saying this for years. The fathers of secular humanism were all atheists.
"Any kingdom divided against itself shall fall" "A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways"
Thanks. I just noticed that. :-) no hard feelings.
I was very turned off by the "target" population method that aimed music and sermons to attract them.
The sermons became pabulum neither hot not cold.
It is a method that relies on man to build a church not God.
I give on your question ?? I sure would love the answer :)
I asked my 61 to be removed too.
The answer is 0.
Even the apostle Paul, arguably the most talented and educated person speaking for God in the Scriptures, counted all that as nothing... and he certainly didn't use 'studied ambiguity' techniques to sweet talk people into the kingdom.
I read the Pew article and the quote is as follows:
"Now the word "fundamentalist" actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity, and when I say there are very few fundamentalists, I mean in the sense that they are all actually called fundamentalist churches,"
I'm familiar with "Fundamentals" and, in fact, was brought up in a Fundamentalist church. The "Fundamentals" actually covered more than the Five mentioned and were printed in a many volume book and distrubuted to churches. He is right it was a very narrow, legalistic response to the turmoil in the churches caused by liberalism, and rightly so. However the "Fundamentalism" of today is really a charicature of the movement in the '20s and that is what I think Warren is referring to.
Wikipedia: "Fundamentalist Christianity, or Christian fundamentalism is a movement which arose mainly within American Protestantism in the late 19th and early 20th centuries by conservative evangelical Christians, who, in a reaction to modernism, actively affirmed a "fundamental" set of Christian beliefs: the inerrancy of the Bible, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the authenticity of his miracles. This core set of beliefs was the "line in the sand" drawn by conservative Christians as they battled against the rise of rationalism, higher biblical criticism, and liberalism within Protestant denominations.
The nature of the Christian fundamentalist movement, while originally a united effort within conservative evangelicalism, evolved during the early-to-mid 1900s to become more separatist in nature and more characteristically dispensational in its theology."
I just want to say thanks to the admins for their patience here... I know there are a lot of Rick Warren adherents on FR, and I'm kind of risking a lot of ire being thrown my way and causing a lot of ill feeling. I would really not do it if I didn't see grave danger in it for the church following this guy (and others like him). I know it's hard to see someone you really like taken off their pedestal, and I sympathize.
He is. Misleading headline.
I believe the Bible calls such a "church" the harlot of Babylon - the "church" sold out to and in the service of worldly governments.
I am also in favor of the gospel going out but unfortunately what some men preach is not the gospel
Listening to Adrian Rogers today I heard Him say "if you want to find Satan" , look in the pulpit. This references that Satan can come as an angel of "light" . The Rev title or the collar is no promise of the gospel being preached.
On his show today Tom Shrader said most churches including Lutheran churches are preaching what he left the church over. Luther would not be comfortable in them.
Lets face it too many churches teach a gospel of comfort here.
Last week I think it was that Mac Arthur noted that so many churches are busy preaching the gospel that God wants you happy here, that he has a plan for your life here, that people no longer hear about heaven .
Thus people look at death as the enemy, the real purpose of the gospel and Christ seems to be to make life good and sweet.
That is not the gospel of Christ .
Is that what this sounds like?
Now the word "fundamentalist" actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity..."
I don't see anything referring to it today being a caricature of what it was then. He is referring to the documents then.
actively affirmed a "fundamental" set of Christian beliefs: the inerrancy of the Bible, the virgin birth of Christ, the doctrine of substitutionary atonement, the bodily resurrection of Jesus, and the authenticity of his miracles. This core set of beliefs was the "line in the sand" drawn by conservative Christians as they battled against the rise of rationalism, higher biblical criticism, and liberalism within Protestant denominations.
What's wrong with that? That's narrow? That's extremely basic.
Um... read the story before you say the augmented headline is misleading.
good point. For some reason I hadn't thought of that but it does seem to fit quite well.
You mean like "Your Best Lie Now"
;-)
Agreed.
You know the sin of pride is as prevalent in Pastors as it is in laymen.
Pastors want a big church, they want to be admired. I think they believe in their heart they are doing the work of God, but that is self delusion. "The heart is deceitful who can know it" the scriptures tell us.
They have works that are wood, hay and stubble and will be burned up.
I recommend to anyone who is not familiar with him to look for his contributions in a few places. One place is HERE
>>all the people who get kicked out of churches that espouse his teachings because they have a fundamentalist view of Scripture?<<
I haven't been kicked out of a Warren Trademark Church, but I've certainly been called "fundamentalist", "extremist", "Literalist", and "puritan", etc.
I merely thanked them for the compliment and carried on.
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