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The purpose-driven pastor (Rick Warren calls Christian fundamentalists an enemy)
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | Jan. 08, 2006 | Paul Nussbaum

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:06:56 AM PST by Terriergal

The purpose-driven pastor

By Paul Nussbaum

Inquirer Staff Writer

This week, it was the Rose Bowl players' breakfast. This month, it will be the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. Then the President's prayer breakfast in Washington, followed by an entertainment industry conference in Los Angeles.

Rick Warren, the Southern Baptist preacher's son from tiny Redwood Valley, Calif., is much in demand these days.

The founding pastor of the Saddleback mega-church south of Los Angeles and the author of the best-selling The Purpose Driven Life, Warren is perhaps the most influential evangelical Christian in America.

With his book - the best-selling hardback nonfiction book in the nation - and Purpose-Driven Life videos and 40-day Bible study plans, Warren has created an unparalleled international network of millions of individuals and 400,000 churches, spanning faiths and denominations.

Now he wants to use his growing influence - and wealth - for an ambitious global attack on poverty, AIDS, illiteracy and disease.

"The New Testament says the church is the body of Christ, but for the last 100 years, the hands and feet have been amputated, and the church has just been a mouth. And mostly, it's been known for what it's against," Warren said during a break between services at his sprawling Orange County church campus.

"I'm so tired of Christians being known for what they're against."

Fresh from preaching to 38,000 congregants during Christmas week services, Warren was looking to the future by invoking the past.

"One of my goals is to take evangelicals back a century, to the 19th century," said Warren, 51, shifting painfully in his chair because of a back sprain suffered during an all-terrain-vehicle romp with his 20-year-old son, Matthew. "That was a time of muscular Christianity that cared about every aspect of life."

Not just personal salvation, but social action. Abolishing slavery. Ending child labor. Winning the right for women to vote.

It's time for modern evangelicals to trade words for deeds and get similarly involved, Warren contends.

At the end of his second sermon last Sunday, he reminded his largely affluent Orange County audience: "Life is not about having more and getting more. It's about serving God and serving others."

That, simply put, is his message. Give your life to God, help others, spread the word. It is the same message that Christians have been preaching for 2,000 years. Warren has updated the language, added catchphrases and five-step guides, but he readily admits "there is not a new idea in that book."

The Purpose Driven Life has sold more than 24 million English-language copies since 2002, with millions more in other languages. It has been popular with Lutherans, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, with pastors and priests using it as a Bible-study handbook.

The book figured prominently in a hostage drama in Georgia last March. Ashley Smith, held by alleged Atlanta courthouse killer Brian Nichols, said he released her after she gave him methamphetamine and read to him from the book.

Warren "is able to cast the Christian story so people can hear it in fresh ways," said Donald E. Miller, director of the Center for Religion and Civic Culture at the University of Southern California. He is "a very important figure in evangelical Christianity," part of a "trend we'll see more of," Miller said, citing Warren's independence, social activism, informality and ability to reach across racial and national lines.

"The Gen X-ers are sick and tired of flash and hype and marketing," Miller said. "The soft sell of a Rick Warren is far more attractive to them than a highly stylized TV presentation of the Christian message."

Among evangelicals, Warren is more influential than better-known and more-divisive figures such as religious broadcasters Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell or radio psychologist James Dobson, and is often seen as the heir to the Rev. Billy Graham as "America's pastor."

Scott L. Thumma, a professor of the sociology of religion at Hartford Seminary and the author of a forthcoming book on mega-churches, said polls of church leaders often put Warren in first or second place among most-influential evangelical leaders.

"And one of the interesting things is that he crosses boundaries... . He's not just respected by the evangelical world but by many outside that world," Thumma said.

In North Philadelphia, the Rev. Herbert Lusk, the former Philadelphia Eagles running back who is pastor of the Greater Exodus Baptist Church and a prominent supporter of President Bush, brought Warren to town in November to raise money for aid to Africa. Lusk also tutored many of the Eagles' players and coaches in the Purpose-Driven Life program last year.

Lusk said Warren "took the principles that we preach about every Sunday and packaged them in a way that are palatable for Christians and non-Christians."

"The guy is a preacher's preacher... . He's the leading evangelical in the world, unquestionably," Lusk said.

Broadly defined, evangelicals are Christians who have had a personal or "born-again" religious conversion, believe the Bible is the word of God, and believe in spreading their faith. (The term comes from Greek; to "evangelize" means to preach the gospel.) The term is typically applied to Protestants.

Millions of Americans fit the definition, although estimates vary on exactly how many. Forty-two percent of Americans described themselves as evangelical Christians in a Gallup poll in April, while 22 percent said they met all three measures in a Gallup survey in May. The National Association of Evangelicals says about 25 percent of adult Americans are evangelicals.

Evangelicals are often equated with fundamentalists or the religious right, which annoys Warren. Although he's politically conservative - opposing abortion and gay marriage and supporting the death penalty - he pushes a much broader agenda and disdains both politics and fundamentalism.

Warren is a friend of President Bush and a repeat visitor to the White House. But he also met for several hours at Saddleback last month with Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, to discuss issues such as poverty and the environment.

"I'm worried that evangelicals be identified too much with one party or the other. When that happens, you lose your prophetic role of speaking truth to power," Warren said. "And you have to defend stupid things that leaders do."

"Politics is always downstream from culture. I place less confidence in it than a lot of folks. I don't think that's the answer... . Politics is not the right tool to change the culture."

With his goatee and penchant for Hawaiian shirts and colloquial language, Warren embodies a laid-back approach to worship that resonates with Americans who have little allegiance to formal denominations or rituals.

His 120-acre hilltop campus, with palm trees, waterfall and meandering brook, is a kind of religious theme park, where worshipers meet in different buildings to suit their musical preferences, while watching simultaneous video feeds of Warren preaching at the main worship center.

Warren's father and grandfather and great-grandfather were all preachers. He followed their path by starting Saddleback in 1980 with his wife, Kay, and a congregation of seven. His ministry prospered in booming Orange County, as Warren went door-to-door, asking residents what they'd like in a church. For 15 years, he and his growing flock were nomads, meeting in schools, homes and other buildings. Construction started on the current campus in 1995, and Warren now has 80,000 names on Saddleback's rolls. Saddleback is a a Southern Baptist church, but it doesn't advertise the fact.

As the money has rolled in from his book, Warren said he has given most of the millions to the church and the three social-service foundations he has established. He stopped taking his $110,000 annual salary and repaid the church for his 25 years of salary since its founding. He and his wife became "reverse tithers," he said, keeping 10 percent of their income and giving away the rest, including $13 million in 2004.

This month, he is leading a trip to Rwanda, to train pastors and distribute medicine and money to battle AIDS and other diseases. It's part of what he calls his global PEACE plan (Plant a church, Equip leaders, Assist the poor, Care for the sick, Educate the next generation).

Last month, he launched the first major evangelical effort to battle AIDS, convening a three-day conference at Saddleback to mobilize American Christians to help AIDS victims and raise money to fight the disease. Part of the battle for Warren is overcoming resistance from evangelicals who view AIDS as strictly a gay disease or even as divine retribution for immoral behavior.

Warren said he sees religious institutions as more powerful forces than governments for solving the world's problems.

"I would trust any imam or priest or rabbi to know what is going on in a community before I would any government agency."

But, powerful as churches can be in working for the powerless, they can't succeed without governments and nongovernmental organizations, Warren said.

Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be "one of the big enemies of the 21st century."

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other."

ONLINE EXTRA

To read the rest of the series on the evangelical movement by Paul Nussbaum, visit http://go.philly.com/religion


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Current Events; Ecumenism; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; evangelicals; heresy; purposedriven; rickwarren
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To: blue-duncan
Before we jump to conclusions because it's Warren see how he defines fundamentalism.

Did you read? "of all kinds"

here is more clarification:

The Pew Forum on Religion. Read the transcripts for Rick Warren's interview. Rick Warren - May 23, 2005:

On the Fundamentals of the Faith


41 posted on 01/10/2006 12:18:10 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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Not post #28. DOH !!! I mean post #33. Gosh.........I am one error on top of another.


42 posted on 01/10/2006 12:19:00 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: carsonfire
That is, not someone who has a fundamentalist view of the scriptures, but someone who takes the scriptures as justification to commit violence.

have you read about all the people who get kicked out of churches that espouse his teachings because they have a fundamentalist view of Scripture?

43 posted on 01/10/2006 12:19:25 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: RnMomof7

hey lady, I've missed ya! I totally agree. It is manmade. "oh Holy Spirit, you're not being very effective... let's come up with some 'tools' to facilitate your influence.'

The SHAPE program (pretty much any spiritual gift 'survey' course included) is a farce IMO. Tell me which Bible character was used for his natural talents or what he thought he was good at?


44 posted on 01/10/2006 12:22:40 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Terriergal
have you read about all the people who get kicked out of churches that espouse his teachings because they have a fundamentalist view of Scripture?

I know exactly what you refer to. If PDC takes over one's church, traditionalists will be driven away either by disgust or by an invitation to "find another church home".

45 posted on 01/10/2006 12:22:47 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

Amen, and God bless you for standing up in the face of heresy.

The church we left was just beginning to adopt the Purpose Driven model - we were the "dissenters", so I know exactly what you're going through. When the PDL was substituted for the Bible and called "Bible Study", I knew it was time to leave. Nearly every sermon was a sales-pitch for the new Alternative Service they were putting together for Saturday nights. Skits and drama during the Sunday worhip service, surveys, and NO conviction of sin. It was a sinking ship that tore apart the congregation.

Have you been to the deceptioninthechurch.com site?


47 posted on 01/10/2006 12:24:36 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: xzins
I'm pretty much in favor of any moral program that gets the gospel out to others or gets others in to hear the gospel.

Which Gospel? I didn't find it in PDL or PDC. In fact, both of them can be used with any religion and people of all religions are using it - simply adding it to their prior belief system instead of rejecting the former and turning to Christ alone. I thought the Gospel was exclusive to Christianity.

48 posted on 01/10/2006 12:24:40 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Alex Murphy
This "soft sell of a Rick Warren"

I agree. It's another form of marketing. As for soft sell, try the Emergent Church. They reject megachurches, as if the size or style is the enemy. But they have left out the truth as well and are just as confused.

49 posted on 01/10/2006 12:25:52 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Terriergal

BTTT


50 posted on 01/10/2006 12:26:13 PM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: Full Court

amen bro. keep in touch.


51 posted on 01/10/2006 12:26:13 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Such a stunning mis-use of scripture.

Take the red pill... and I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes....

52 posted on 01/10/2006 12:27:51 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Terriergal; blue-duncan; xzins
Oops, after a second read on the article it appears I misspoke. Apparently he is quoted as saying that Fundamentalism is the enemy. I'm not sure he referred to fundamentalists as the enemy.

I have requested my last post be stricken.

53 posted on 01/10/2006 12:28:16 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Cecily

His global PEACE plan fits right in here with Jim Wallis' socialist agenda. Can you imagine the "church" (for lack of a better word) and governments working hand in hand? What a frightful behemoth that would be.

http://www.sojo.net


54 posted on 01/10/2006 12:29:21 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Thank you for the tip. I'll add that site to my list. I do my best to keep informed.

I'm so sorry to hear that your church was taken over but so happy to hear that you stood by the Truth.

May God bless you as you go forward.

55 posted on 01/10/2006 12:29:53 PM PST by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

lol at least you correct your errors. So many people have tried to contact Rick to discuss his errors and plead with him to correct them, but he refuses. He's definitely purpose driven (e.g. damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead) -- and from reading his books I guess that's what counts. (:-(


56 posted on 01/10/2006 12:33:32 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

Or they just get ignored until they go away. All this talk about 'relationship' only works if you never question the pastor.


57 posted on 01/10/2006 12:34:15 PM PST by Terriergal (Cursed be any love or unity for whose sake the Word of God must be put at stake. -- Martin Luther)
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis

It is already happening.


58 posted on 01/10/2006 12:34:44 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1]

Just two questions. How did Judas die? How was the land Judas bought purchased?

59 posted on 01/10/2006 12:36:37 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: Terriergal

I think the opposition to this apostasy has turned the corner, and the mainstream is finally understanding why there is such concern.

I read a statistic a few days ago that shows that the smaller churches and home churches are actually growing faster than the "megachurches", simply from people being 'purpose driven' from the "megachurch". It was in the same article that talked about going further than taking your children out of public schools -- you also need to take them out of the 'purpose driven' churches. Great column, by the way, by Paul Proctor.


60 posted on 01/10/2006 12:36:43 PM PST by TommyDale
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