[Gamecock]

***it's already decided, so sit back and do nothing***

Which shows exactly how little you know about Reformed Theology.

Have you ever read anything written by a Calvinist or are you just spewing stereotypes that have been passed down to you by others who don't know what they are talking about? Or did you make this up on your own?

I guess it really doesn't matter. Officially you now have ZERO credibility on this issue.

[Cronos]

really? A pre-destination clause means that everything has already been thought through, planned and decided by a higher power -- you have no control over whether you sin or not, you can sit back and do nothing with your life as you could vainly believe that you are part of the "elect" and do not need to help your fellow man or spread the Word of God or be an instrument through which God can act.

[Cronos]

It's kinnda hard not to repent and do what God want's when you are in the belly of a fish for three days. I would say Jonah's will was violated.

Hmmm... so Jonah DID have a will, correct? And he did choose to disobey God and then obey him ,correct? Did God take over his brain, or Moses' brain or Jeremiah's? That would be what pre-destination is about, right? But that didn't happen, God, for whatever reason, enjoys it for us to have freedom, freedom of will, freedom to FREELY choose God or not. It pleases Him when we choose Him. Else, He just has some chimpanzee robots that follow a program -- like creating a VB program that only keeps repeating "Gamecock is great, Gamecock is great." --> God doesn't want that

[Cronos]

It's kinnda hard not to repent and do what God want's when you are in the belly of a fish for three days. I would say Jonah's will was violated.

Hmmm... so Jonah DID have a will, correct? And he did choose to disobey God and then obey him ,correct? Did God take over his brain, or Moses' brain or Jeremiah's? That would be what pre-destination is about, right? But that didn't happen, God, for whatever reason, enjoys it for us to have freedom, freedom of will, freedom to FREELY choose God or not. It pleases Him when we choose Him. Else, He just has some chimpanzee robots that follow a program -- like creating a VB program that only keeps repeating "Gamecock is great, Gamecock is great."