Posted on 12/14/2005 5:20:00 AM PST by TaxachusettsMan
Catholic League Not Amused By VILE Leary Special
By Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - Updated: 12:15 AM EST
The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights has put Worcester homey Denis Leary on its Naughty List and the religious group is demanding that Comedy Central ax future showings of his vile special Denis Learys Merry F#%$in Christmas.
Hate speech dressed in humorous garb is still hate speech, said Catholic League president Bill Donohue. Leary is obviously bedeviled by some disorder but nothing excuses this crap.
In the Yuletide yukfest, the Rescue Me star has a skit about lesbian nuns and a song by Our Lady of Perpetual Suffering Church Choir about a hooker. But what really has the Catholic League ready to launch a holy war is Denis take on the origins of Christmas.
Merry Christmas, says Denis. Tonight we celebrate the birth of the baby Jesus, whose mom, Mary, just happens to be a virgin even after she apparently gave birth to Jesus.At least that is what the Catholic Church would have you believe.
Tom Cruise is taking a lot of (bleep) for belonging to a religion, Scientology, that believes aliens came to this planet 75 million years ago. That is nothing. I was raised Catholic. We believe Mary was a virgin and Jesus ended up walking on water, creating a bottomless jug of wine and rising from the dead.
Leary then gives his trenchant take on the virgin birth which, trust us, did not jingle the Catholics bells!
We understand Denis Leary is edgy and this is his schtick, that Boston tough guy appeal, said Catholic League spokesgal Kiera McCaffrey. But going after the Blessed Mother is the kind of thing that really gets our backs up.
But the Comedy Central suits think the religious Grinches should lighten up.
This is satire, said channel spokesman Tony Fox. Comedy Central is an adult network and we think Denis Leary has the right to speak freely about what he thinks is funny. We dont cave to pressure and were not pulling the show off the air. Thats not something weve ever done.
No indeedy. Denis special is schedule to air again Dec. 17, 19,21, 24 and, of course, 25.
File Under: Seasons Bleatings.
Ooohhhh, here we are again! ;-)
LOL!
All right, step by step:
Leary's words were neither slanderous nor libelous ... [nor] seditious ...
The point is that "free speech" is not an absolute right, so that particular knee-jerk reaction on your part is wrong-headed. Slander, libel, sedition, etc., constitute well-recognized limits on speech. I did not say that Leary was guilty of any of them; surely you can understand the difference.
[the remarks] were not directed at any discrete individual
So if you slander a large enough group of people, it somehow doesn't count? The famous "blood libel" wasn't really a libel because it was directed at Jews in general, rather than particular Jews? You can't be that stupid.
Leary misrepresents Catholic teaching and insults those who hold them with the intention of dismissing them as lunatics. The point is not whether or not this is a violation of law - it probably isn't. But it is uncivil, and what the Catholic League is proposing is not a legislative response, but an "informal" one. Assuming the people who paid Leary for this "entertainment" have a scrap of decency about them - which they may not - they should apologize for broadcasting this rubbish, withdraw it, and refrain from doing it again. If they don't, pressure in the form of boycotts, media exposure, etc., should be brought to bear.
... chilling of speech by threats of violence against the speaker ...
The point is that this already happens all the time. It is part of the ontology of human social interaction. One would be an idiot to insult, to his face, the mother of a man carrying a knife to his face. One would be wise to practice self-censorship in such a case. This has the positive effect of encouraging civil behavior, and discouraging bullying. It is a mechanism which has functioned since man started living in social groups.
Neither would Leary be likely to make such an ass of himself if he were dealing one-on-one with a muscular practicing Catholic in South Boston. He could reasonably expect a punch in the nose, and he would deserve it. Real men will only take so many "fighting words". The law, for once, is sensible enough to recognize that.
Similarly, it is not acceptable for Jews or Muslims to be insulted in this way, because it is well known that some form of retaliation will be forthcoming, either by a media outcry or by public demonstrations (which have, it must be noted, turned violent on occasion). As a Catholic, I would like to be given equal respect. Since reason and charity have obviously failed, apparently a certain amount of fear is what is needed to induce a similar reluctance.
... physical harm at the hands of a theocratic zealot ...
Rubbish, and hysterical conflation. People's patience with insults is limited, and it is unreasonable to expect them to put up with them past a certain point. It has always been thus, and always will be. If one insists on twisting the tiger's tail, a rational person should expect to get mauled on occasion. That expectation is very useful in preventing the provocation in the first place.
the expression of the Catholic faith is "chilled" by the words of Denis Leary
The point was made in the context of a critique of the position of free speech absolutism. If speech is never to be "chilled" by the self-censorship imposed by the bounds of civil behavior, then neither, by the same Amendment, is religious expression. Knowing that it is acceptable to be ridiculed - as Leary as has done - for one's religious beliefs makes it likely that one to practice self-censorship in the expression of those beliefs, i.e., "chilling" said expression. If "chilling" insulting speech through encouraging self-censorship is impermissible, it is equally wrong to chill religious expression through a similar mechanism.
Moreover, I have cited numerous examples - and could cite many more - which taken together constitute a pattern of persecution. I should think it obvious that persecution has a chilling effect on religious expression.
I can't make it clearer than that, and I'm not amused at your attempts to equate encouraging civil behavior with issuing fatwas, calls for theocracy, etc. So I'll consider the points made, and leave it there.
Bump to your post, too!
Actually, I think Donohue's working as part of Leary's publicity staff. If it hadn't been for Donohue and the guy who posted this thread, I never would've known that Denis Leary was still doing comedy.
Man, I think you're at the wrong web site; conservatives don't DO personal attacks like that.
With every post, you're showing your butt.
Around this house, we just call them prigs.
I never knew he did comedy to begin with. Every live piece I ever saw had him on stage ranting like an angry drunk.
But maybe that's because he was.
Now where have we heard that before?
I laughed heartily at his "No Cure for Cancer" and "Lock 'n' Load" albums.
"The Lord of the Dance. The Fuehrer of the Dance. The Meister of the Dance. What does that make Patrick Swayze, Michael, the President of the Dance?"
Give that man a saliva test.
I'll tell ya what's funny....a buddy of mine has a tape of him prank calling Alan Colmes' radio show live back about 1991 or so on about 10-12 different occaisions. I can never look at Al's mug on Fox and not think of some of those calls.
Tis better to open one's mouth and reveal oneself a fool than remain silent and be merely suspected as one.
I kind of like it when they do this.
It leaves no room for doubt.
I remember that one of the big news shows got a live phone call from a supposed witness to Colin Ferguson going postal on the Long Island commuter train.
He claimed that Ferguson was saying "Baba-booey" over and over.
Took the newsies almost 10 minutes to realize that the guy was putting them on.
bttt
Correct. I have no interest in restricting his private speech - unless it happens within my hearing, in which case, I will respond as I see fit, up to and including a punch in the nose.
But speech made in a public venue entails certain additional responsibilities, a fact which used to be recognized by the states. It would be better if individual broadcasters, rather than governmental entities, did the regulating. This in fact was what happened in the days of the Hayes Code.
As an example, CBS decided a few years ago to air a tape of Jack Kevorkian giving one of his "patients" a lethal injection. Some stations in Louisiana refused to carry it. I applaud that decision, but regret that CBS itself didn't have the decency to refrain from broadcasting a snuff film in the first place. In a decent society, such an action would so thoroughly damage CBS's reputation that they might have to close their doors, but alas it did not come to pass.
The media always selects what material it chooses to publish, and edits it as it wishes. These days it consistently makes choices which "appeal to prurient interest", as the phrase used to go. The result has been a continual, gradual decline in the quality of our discourse, especially as it is well known that no one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people. "Change the channel" is an insufficient response when there are almost no alternative choices. When the only way to avoid filth is to withdraw from participation in the public forum, it serves to suppress ("chill"?) the expression of those advocating decency. Which is, ultimately, the motivation behind the protection of the prurience in the first place.
This guy is a typical coward. Let him insult Islam the way he insults Our Lord and Our Lady.
He doesn't have the guts to try it.
I also note the presence of the Know-Nothings on this thread. Not terribly surprising, and quite revealing when you compare their posts here with those on other threads.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.