Posted on 11/14/2005 6:24:28 PM PST by null and void
As a former member of that, ummmm, organization, I have a standing open offer to answer any FReeper's qusetions about Scientology, either in open forum, or via FReepmail.
I will do my best to answer as promptly, concisely and accurately as possible, but as I left some time ago, I'm not always privy to the latest wrinkles.
Still, from what I can gather from my few remaining contacts not that much has really changed!
I 'almost' had a girlfriend awhile back that was into this stuff (I think it was EST or something like that). She dragged me out to a meeting on our second date where we were immediately separated and I was given the hard-sell for the next 2 hours about how much I needed to sign up for their "Seminars" and "Courses". Boy, was I pissed over the complete waste of an evening. I dropped her off at the end of the evening and never saw her again hence the use of the word "almost".
BTW South Park has a scientology episode tonight. I'm going to be too busy watching Invasion.
If anyone sees it let me know if it's worth watching on reruns.
South Park is a MUST SEE!!!!! I agree with many others over on the South Park thread, that this is going to be one of their classics.
Matt and Trey slap scientology right in the face.
It will be interesting to stay on top of this episode to see what repercussions there are. Be sure to watch the credits at the end .. sure are a lot of people working on the show named john or jane smith. : )
Matt and Trey are sooo sued.
heh.... ya think?
LOL!! Like I said, it is going to get interesting : )
I've read in some places that once you get to level OT8, the highest you can go, Operating Thetan 8, that you learn that Jesus was a pedophile!
How high a level did you get and did you read that also about OT8?
Thanks, I saw it last night. Didn't find it all that funny.
A few minor points:
It's not THEEtan it's THAYtan (rhymes with Satan). That was a little distracting for me.
And the volcanoes were blown up with hydrogen bombs, framenting the thetans before they were implanted. So body thetans are fragments of souls, not complete persons.
Other than that, pretty accurate.
Probably it wasn't all that funny because I was watching more for accuracy than humor, I did tape it so I can rewatch it just for enjoyment. It was so accurate that I actually found it a little sad! (does that make sense?)
Last I heard Jack Rosenberg was in the Netherlands, hiding from charges of tax evasion, also wife beating and raping his daughter. His real name is Jack Rosenberg, and he was a used car salesman.
Now I do not know if he has been since extradited.
There was one time in the 80's when EST was making inroads as a management fad.
The South Park episode can be viewed at: WWW.SCIENTOMOGY.INFO
OT-II in the church. OT-III outside, then I stopped. I simply wasn't interested in the upper levels.
I have no idea what's on OT-VIII, not much would surprise me.
Sorry about the delay in answering. Dunno what happened, either I missed your post, or got distracted?
Thanks!
"Fairly early on, Dianetics ran into a major problem: going back on a chain of incidents to an earlier similar incident often ended up with events that clearly didn't happen during this lifetime.
Now what? Either they are imaginary incidents, or they are real.
Insisting that they were imaginary caused most clients to relapse, lose any gains they may have derived by talking about these incidents. This clearly isn't in the best interests of either the client or the practitioner.
OK, so they must (!) be real. From accepting this premise it is immediately obvious that something survives this mortal coil. Scientology evolved to address the needs of this spiritual being, which Hubbard and The Church call a 'Thetan' a name derived from the Greek letter theta, an early symbol for life (For a while the Earth Day crowd was using theta for everything- much to the amusement of scientology true believers)"
Maybe. Or maybe Hubbard wanted people to think that they were delving into past lives as part of his attempt to turn Scientology into a religion. After all, I believe that belief in past lives is one of the reasons why Scientology is considered a religion. BTW, is belief in relincarnation compulsory in Scientology? I've heard that it wasn't
Perhaps, but most people run on enough dianetics will find a few past life incidents. Whether this indicates actual past lives is well beyond the scope of my understanding. I've run past life incidents. They seemed real enough to me. The key thing, regardless of their actual reality, is that people feel better after uncovering an explanation for their condition, and experience relief. For me, that suffices.
BTW, is belief in relincarnation compulsory in Scientology? I've heard that it wasn't
It wasn't last time I checked. I suspect that with the "New Era Dianetics", which runs much faster than the previous styles, more people get their problems handled without going to past lives.
"Perhaps, but most people run on enough dianetics will find a few past life incidents. Whether this indicates actual past lives is well beyond the scope of my understanding. I've run past life incidents. They seemed real enough to me. The key thing, regardless of their actual reality, is that people feel better after uncovering an explanation for their condition, and experience relief. For me, that suffices."
Well, I feel that some parts of the Bible are literal, and some are figurative and symbolic. Maybe auditing is the same...namely maybe all these past lives really aren't past lives, but rather symbolic of unresloved problems, issues, desires, concerns and so on.
BTW, I believe that the notion of past traumas affecting present life was invented by Freud, not Hubbard. Hubbard basically borrowed from Freud.
War of the Worlds!
I didn't go through this thread. I'll read it tomorrow, I'm off to bed now. But is Scientology related to the Church of Euthanasia?
Bump this back to me if you posted on that.
Night!
I don't know how I forgot about that one. Hard to believe that it was a Spielberg movie.
I was kinda going along with the movie, which might be best subtitled, (How Much Sh*t Can Happen to One Guy In One Day), until the line about how the aliens buried the war machines millions of years ago. What? Oh I see, they just wanted to wait until the Earth was populated by people, read: (food). One little problem, they in their vast intelligence forgot that with people might come, bacteria?
That is correct.
I did not however see anything on why one was supposed to have a silent birth, or basically not cry out in pain during a birth. Can you tell me why that is?
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