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To: Scotswife

Yoju wrote: "I'm not sure what your 'angle' is...but I'm pretty sure that when a priest is appointed a bishop it doesn't give him license to do as he pleases - especially when his views are at odds with the pope's. "

I have no angle to this story. I live in this diocese. I picketed Hillary and Schumer when they invaded our Catholic Church seeking last minute votes from the Hispanic congregation. I saw Catholic men dragged out of this church while Schumer and Hillary campaigned away inside!!!

For years, I knew about and even witnessed a break-away church whose pastor was allowed to have a woman on the altar participating in the Consecration.

I do not belong to the "Great Church" -- I am a member in good standing in The Roman Catholic Church. And I pray that we do not have to wait another 5-7 years to have an orthodox bishop.


32 posted on 11/14/2005 2:51:08 PM PST by victim soul
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To: victim soul; Scotswife
For years, I knew about and even witnessed a break-away church whose pastor was allowed to have a woman on the altar participating in the Consecration.

The break-away church would be Spiritus Christi . It is one of the rare instances where Clarke followed instructions from the Vatican.

On August 13, 1998, Bishop Matthew Clark, under pressure from Rome, removed Fr. Jim Callan as administrator after 22 years at Corpus Christi Church. The Vatican had trouble with three practices dear to the heart of Corpus Christi parishioners: the prominent role of women on the altar, the blessing of gay unions, and the offering of communion to those who were not Catholic.

On October 15, Mary Ramerman was fired from her position as associate pastor. The diocese demanded that she remove her alb and stole and not go near the altar during any church services. She refused. She did not want to send a message that women were not holy enough to approach the altar or deserving of equal participation in the church. In protest of Mary’s firing, several women in the parish put on purple stoles, a symbol of women’s ordination, and continued to stand at the altar week after week. On October 22, Fr. Enrique Cadena, the other associate pastor, was granted a leave of absence by the bishop for “rest and reflection.”

Since then, Mary Ramerman, an excommunicated woman in Rochester, N.Y., has been ordained, by a bishop of the Old Catholic Church in California, until recently a schismatic Catholic group dating from 18th-century Holland, but today also heretical in addition to being schismatic.


Priestess Mary Ramerman
Excommunicated from the RC Church
Now serving in the schismatic/heretical Old Catholic Church.

(sorry about that VC, but a picture is worth a thousand words).

34 posted on 11/14/2005 3:48:36 PM PST by NYer (“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: victim soul

My apologies - I misunderstood your post.

I grew up on this diocese also. I knew one of the breakaway members of that church (very frustrating listening to her)
We have spent the past few years in a neighboring diocese that is more orthodox (for the benefit of the kids)
However - there are many good people we miss. It is frustrating to watch good folks who want to serve go off to St. Bernard's for their studies and come back speaking "Rochester speak".

I hope it doesn't take 5-7 yrs., but I believe that is the maximum time period before he is expected to retire.
It will take quite a strong personality to come in after Clark.


43 posted on 11/14/2005 8:29:30 PM PST by Scotswife
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