Posted on 11/11/2005 5:51:08 AM PST by NYer
Have you been born again? the Fundamentalist at the door asks the unsuspecting Catholic. The question is usually a segue into a vast doctrinal campaign that leads many ill-instructed Catholics out of the Catholic Church. How? By making them think there is a conflict between the Bible and the Catholic Church over being born again.
To be honest, most Catholics probably do not understand the expression born again. Yes, they believe in Jesus. And yes, they try to live Christian lives. They probably have some vague awareness that Fundamentalists think being born again involves a religious experience or accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Many cradle Catholics, too, have had their moments of closeness to God, even of joy over God's love and mercy. They may even have had conversion experiences of sorts, committing themselves to take their faith seriously and to live more faithfully as disciples of Jesus. But the cradle Catholic probably cannot pinpoint any particular moment in his life when he dropped to his knees and accepted Jesus for the first time. As far back as he can recall, he has believed, trusted and loved Jesus as Savior and Lord. Does that prove he has never been born again?
Not the Bible way, says the Fundamentalist. But the Fundamentalist is wrong there. He misunderstands what the Bible says about being born again. Unfortunately, few Catholics understand the biblical use of the term, either. As a result, pastors, deacons, catechists, parents and others responsible for religious education have their work cut out for them. It would be helpful, then, to review the biblical and Catholic meaning of the term born again.
"BORN AGAIN" THE BIBLE WAY
The only biblical use of the term born again occurs in John 3:3-5 although, as we shall see, similar and related expressions such as new birth and ,regeneration occur elsewhere in Scripture (Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 1:3, 23). In John 3:3, Jesus tells Nicodemus, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. The Greek expression translated born again (gennathei anothen) also means born from above. Jesus, it seems, makes a play on words with Nicodemus, contrasting earthly life, or what theologians would later dub natural life (what is born of flesh), with the new life of heaven, or what they would later call supernatural life (what is born of Spirit).
Nicodemus' reply: How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born? (John 3:4). Does he simply mistake Jesus to be speaking literally or is Nicodemus himself answering figuratively, meaning, How can an old man learn new ways as if he were a child again? We cannot say for sure, but in any case Jesus answers, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, `You must be born again.' (John 3:5-7).
Here Jesus equates born again or born from above with born of water and the Spirit. If, as the Catholic Church has always held, being born of water and the Spirit refers to baptism, then it follows that being born again or born from above means being baptized.
Clearly, the context implies that born of water and the Spirit refers to baptism. The Evangelist tells us that immediately after talking with Nicodemus, Jesus took his disciples into the wilderness where they baptized people (John 3:22). Furthermore, water is closely linked to the Spirit throughout John's Gospel (for instance, in Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4:9-13) and in the Johannine tradition (cf. 1 John 5:7). It seems reasonable, then, to conclude that John the Evangelist understands Jesus' words about being born again and born of water and the Spirit to have a sacramental, baptismal meaning.
OTHER VIEWS OF "BORN OF WATER AND THE SPIRIT"
Fundamentalists who reject baptismal regeneration usually deny that born of water and the Spirit in John 3:5 refers to baptism. Some argue that water refers to the water of childbirth. On this view, Jesus means that unless one is born of water (at his physical birth) and again of the Spirit (in a spiritual birth), he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
A major problem with this argument, however, is that while Jesus does contrast physical and spiritual life, he clearly uses the term flesh for the former, in contrast to Spirit for the latter. Jesus might say, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of flesh and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God though it would be obvious and absurdly redundant to say that one must be born (i.e., born of flesh) in order to be born again (i.e., born of the Spirit). But using born of water and the Spirit to mean born of the flesh and then of the Spirit would only confuse things by introducing the term water from out of nowhere, without any obvious link to the term flesh. Moreover, while the flesh is clearly opposed to the Spirit and the Spirit clearly opposed to the flesh in this passage, the expression born of water and the Spirit implies no such opposition. It is not water vs. the Spirit, but water and the Spirit.
Furthermore, the Greek of the text suggests that born of water and the Spirit (literally born of water and spirit) refers to a single, supernatural birth over against natural birth (born of the flesh). The phrase of water and the Spirit (Greek, ek hudatos kai pneumatos) is a single linguistical unit. It refers to being born of water and the Spirit, not born of water on the one hand and born of the Spirit on the other.
Another argument used by opponents of baptismal regeneration: born of water and the Spirit refers, correspondingly, to the baptism of John (being born of water) and the baptism of the Spirit (being born of ... the Spirit), which John promised the coming Messiah would effect. Thus, on this view, Jesus says, Unless a man is born of water through John's baptism and of the Spirit through my baptism, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
We have already seen that, according to the Greek, born of water and the Spirit refers to a single thing, a single spiritual birth. Thus, the first half of the phrase cannot apply to one thing (John's baptism) and the second half to something else entirely (Jesus' baptism). But even apart from the linguistical argument, if born of water refers to John's baptism, then Jesus is saying that in order to be born again or born from above one must receive John's baptism of water (born of water ...) and the Messiah's baptism of the Spirit (. . . and Spirit). That would mean only those who have been baptized by John could enter the kingdom of Godwhich would drastically reduce the population of heaven. In fact, no one holds that people must receive John's baptism in order to enter the Kingdom something now impossible. Therefore being born of water . . . cannot refer to John's baptism.
The most reasonable explanation for born of water and the Spirit, then, is that it refers to baptism. This is reinforced by many New Testament texts linking baptism, the Holy Spirit and regeneration. At Jesus' baptism, the Holy Spirit descends upon him as He comes up out of the water (cf. John 1:25-34; Matt 3:13-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22). Furthermore, what distinguishes John's baptism of repentance in anticipation of the Messiah from Christian baptism, is that the latter is a baptism with the Holy Spirit (Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; John 1:31; Acts 1:4-5).
Consequently, on Pentecost, Peter calls the Jews to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins and promises that they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38), thus fulfilling the promise of John. Peter clearly teaches here that the water baptism, to which he directs the soon-to-be converts, forgives sins and bestows the Holy Spirit. Christian baptism, then, is no mere external, repentance-ritual with water, but entails an inner transformation or regeneration by the Holy Spirit of the New Covenant; it is a new birth, a being born again or born from above.
In Romans 6:3, Paul says, Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life (RNAB). Baptism, says Paul, effects union with the death and resurrection of Christ, so that through it we die and rise to new life, a form of regeneration.
According to Titus 3:5, God saved us through the washing of regeneration (paliggenesias) and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Opponents of baptismal regeneration argue that the text refers only to the washing (loutrou) of regeneration rather than the baptism of regeneration. But baptism is certainly a form of washing and elsewhere in the New Testament it is described as a washing away of sin. For example, in Acts 22:16, Ananias tells Paul, Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling upon his name. The Greek word used for the washing away of sins in baptism here is apolousai, essentially the same term used in Titus 3:5. Furthermore, since washing and regeneration are not ordinarily related terms, a specific kind of washing one that regenerates must be in view. The most obvious kind of washing which the reader would understand would be baptism, a point even many Baptist scholars, such as G.R. Beasley-Murray, admit. (See his book Baptism in the New Testament.)
In 1 Peter 1:3, it is stated that God has given Christians a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The term new birth (Gk, anagennasas, having regenerated) appears synonymous with born again or regeneration. According to 1 Peter 1:23, Christians have been born anew (Gk, anagegennamenoi, having been regenerated) not from perishable but from imperishable seed, through the living and abiding word of God. From the word of the Gospel, in other words.
Opponents of baptismal regeneration argue that since the new birth mentioned in 1 Peter 1:3 and 23 is said to come about through the Word of God, being born again means accepting the Gospel message, not being baptized. This argument overlooks the fact that elsewhere in the New Testament accepting the gospel message and being baptized are seen as two parts of the one act of commitment to Christ.
In Mark 16:16, for instance, Jesus says, Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned. Believing, i.e., accepting the Gospel, entails accepting baptism, which is the means by which one puts on Christ (Gal. 3:27) and is buried and raised with him to new life (Rom 6:3-5; Gal 2:12). Acts 2:41 says of the Jewish crowd on Pentecost, Those who accepted his message were baptized . . . It seems reasonable to conclude that those whom 1 Peter 1:23 describes as having been born anew or regenerated through the living and abiding word of God were also those who had been baptized. Thus, being born of water and the Spirit and being born anew through the living and abiding word of God describe different aspects of one thing being regenerated in Christ. Being born again (or from above) in water and the Spirit refers to the external act of receiving baptism, while being born anew refers to the internal reception in faith of the Gospel (being born anew through the living and abiding word of God).
Moreover, baptism involves a proclamation of the Word, which is part of what constitutes it (i.e., I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit). To accept baptism is to accept the Word of God. There is no need, then, to see the operation of the Word of God in regeneration as something opposed to or separated from baptism.
Some Fundamentalists also object that being born again through baptismal regeneration contradicts the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith. Implicit here is the idea that Christian baptism is a mere human work done to earn favor before God. In fact, Christian baptism is something that is done to one (one is baptized passive), not something one does for oneself. The one who baptizes, according to the Bible, is Jesus Himself by the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Jn 1:33). It makes no more sense to oppose baptism and faith in Christ to one another as means of regeneration than it does to oppose faith in Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit to one another. There is no either/or here; it is both/and.
THE CATHOLIC VIEW OF BEING "BORN AGAIN"
Following the New Testament use of the term, the Catholic Church links regeneration or being born again in the life of the Spirit to the sacrament of baptism (CCC, nos. 1215,1265-1266). Baptism is not a mere human work one does to earn regeneration and divine sonship; it is the work of Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit, which, by grace, washes away sin and makes us children of God. It is central to the Catholic understanding of justification by grace. For justification is, as the Council of Trent taught, a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace and of the adoption of the sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ (Session 6, chapter 4). Baptism is an instrumental means by which God graciously justifies that is, regenerates sinners through faith in Jesus Christ and makes them children of God.
Catholic teaching is not opposed to a religious experience of conversion accompanying baptism (of adults) far from it. But such an experience is not required. What is required for baptism to be fruitful (for an adult) is repentance from sin and faith in Christ, of which baptism is the sacrament (CCC, no. 1253). These are grace-enabled acts of the will that are not necessarily accompanied by feelings of being born again. Regeneration rests on the divinely established fact of incorporation and regeneration in Christ, not on feelings one way or the other.
This point can be driven home to Evangelicals by drawing on a point they often emphasize in a related context. Evangelicals often say that the act of having accepted Christ as personal Savior and Lord is the important thing, not whether feelings accompany that act. It is, they say, faith that matters, not feelings. Believe by faith that Christ is the Savior and the appropriate feelings, they say, will eventually follow. But even if they do not, what counts is the fact of having taken Christ as Savior.
Catholics can say something similar regarding baptism. The man who is baptized may not feel any different after baptism than before. But once he is baptized, he has received the Holy Spirit in a special way. He has been regenerated and made a child of God through the divine sonship of Jesus Christ in which he shares. He has been buried with Christ and raised to new life with Him. He has objectively and publicly identified himself with Jesus' death and resurrection. If the newly baptized man meditates on these things, he may or may not feel them, in the sense of some subjective religious experience. Nevertheless, he will believe them to be true by faith. And he will have the benefits of baptism into Christ nonetheless.
A "BORN AGAIN" CHRISTIAN?
When Fundamentalists call themselves born again Christians, they want to stress an experience of having entered into a genuine spiritual relationship with Christ as Savior and Lord, in contradistinction to unbelief or a mere nominal Christianity. As we have seen, though, the term born again and its parallel terms new birth and regeneration are used by Jesus and the New Testament writers to refer to the forgiveness of sins and inner renewal of the Holy Spirit signified and brought about by Christ through baptism.
How, then, should a Catholic answer the question, Have you been born again? An accurate answer would be, Yes, I was born again in baptism. Yet leaving it at that may generate even more confusion. Most Fundamentalists would probably understand the Catholic to mean, I'm going to heaven simply because I'm baptized. In other words, the Fundamentalist would think the Catholic is trusting in his baptism rather than Christ, whereas the informed Catholic knows it means trusting in Christ with whom he is united in baptism.
The Catholic, then, should do more than simply point to his baptism; he should discuss his living faith, trust and love of Christ; his desire to grow in sanctity and conformity to Christ; and his total dependence on Christ for salvation. These are integral to the new life of the Holy Spirit that baptism bestows. When the Fundamentalist sees the link between baptism and the Holy Spirit in the life of his Catholic neighbor, he may begin to see that St. Paul was more than figurative when he wrote, You were buried with Christ in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead (Col 2:12).
So, it doesn't matter what your free will does for the rest of your life....you know that you have eternal life.
Gee, what a CONVENIENT ethos.
No wonder the "born-agains" get so little respect.
You are now twisiting scripture to ignore the children Christ so loved. When will you twist it to exclude others?
Up until extremely recently it was quite acceptable for parents to make such decisions for their children and a responsibility for parents to explain Christianity to their children.
Only here has it become optional, and vague.
Oh, go ahead and post from that bigoted, misinformed site. Joe Mizzi is a fool - and he's unable to even defend himself when challenged.
If a parent does not care whether his children share his faith either he does not love his children or he does not hold his Christian beliefs very dear, right?
So, a parent who does truly believe that Jesus of Nazareth is God incarnate, died for our sins, redeemed the world, would devoutly wish that his children be redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, right?
Now, if baptism is a sacrament that redeems from sin, washes away our sins, as St. Peter and Jesus himself (Jn 3) said, and above all, incorporates one into the very Body of Christ, makes us adopted children of God rather than mere creatures
if this is what baptism is, then no parent in his right mind would wish his children not to share in this.
But if baptism is next-to-nothing, merely an afterthought confirming the faith that the human person has in his heart, if it is merely an external sign of an inner conversion, then baptism cannot do all the above things and a parent would not be wrong not to desire it for his children.
So it all turns on what baptism is--is it the sacrament by which we are cleansed of sins and incorporated into Christ (a child has no actual sins and original does not damn to hell, but original sin is a disorder that the parent rightly wishes to have washed away, and incorporation into Christ is such a stupendous thing that no parent in his right mind would want his child deprived of it) or is it not?
So your quarrel about infant baptism really has to do with the nature of baptism and nothing else. The problem with the view that baptism does not itself save from sin and incorporate into Christ and wash away original sin is that such a view is unknown in the history of Christianity until the 1100s and 1500s. The Scriptures speak plainly about baptism saving from sin, washing from sin, incorporating into Christ etc.
But, if one does believe that baptism is no big deal compared to inner conversion, then he certainly will not believe in infant baptism. The rest of us, including those Calvinists who fudge on the saving from sins part but at least do retain the incorporating into the covenant part (they fudge on incorporation into the Church), especially those of us who believe that Peter meant what he said when he said it washes from sin, the rest of us recognize that baptizing infants is the most perfectly ordinary thing to do.
So decide what you believe about what baptism does, then come back to infant baptism.
Personally, I find that most Catholics, including those with otherwise excellent Catholic educations, are surprisingly uninstructed when it comes to the Bible.
Hope you aren't including me in there. It has never been my policy to attack other christians.
There is a ton of the bible in catholic religion classes, whether people take that to heart is another story, but it's there.
Sure is in my CCE classes. Lots of it.
Hey! Leave us "Mormons" out of this.
Yes! Jesus IS the way ... the Truth and the Life. But He also recognized that He could not be with us forever and so left us guidance and direction to follow, once He would be gone. He did not leave us orphans!
Matt. 5:14 - Jesus says a city set on a hill cannot be hidden, and this is in reference to the Church. The Church is not an invisible, ethereal, atmospheric presence, but a single, visible and universal body through the Eucharist. The Church is an extension of the Incarnation.
Matt. 12:25; Mark 3:25; Luke 11:17 - Jesus says a kingdom divided against itself is laid waste and will not stand. This describes Protestantism and the many thousands of denominations that continue to multiply each year.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus says, "I will build my 'Church' (not churches)." There is only one Church built upon one Rock with one teaching authority, not many different denominations, built upon various pastoral opinions and suggestions.
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - Jesus gave the apostles binding and loosing authority. But this authority requires a visible Church because "binding and loosing" are visible acts. The Church cannot be invisible, or it cannot bind and loose.
John 10:16 - Jesus says there must only be one flock and one shepherd. This cannot mean many denominations and many pastors, all teaching different doctrines. Those outside the fold must be brought into the Church.
John 17:11,21,23 - Jesus prays that His followers may be perfectly one as He is one with the Father. Jesus' oneness with the Father is perfect. It can never be less. Thus, the oneness Jesus prays for cannot mean the varied divisions of Christianity that have resulted since the Protestant reformation. There is perfect oneness only in the Catholic Church.
John 17:9-26 - Jesus' prayer, of course, is perfectly effective, as evidenced by the miraculous unity of the Catholic Church during her 2,000 year history.
John 17:21 - Jesus states that the visible unity of the Church would be a sign that He was sent by God. This is an extremely important verse. Jesus tells us that the unity of the Church is what bears witness to Him and the reality of who He is and what He came to do for us. There is only one Church that is universally united, and that is the Catholic Church. Only the unity of the Catholic Church truly bears witness to the reality that Jesus Christ was sent by the Father.
Rom. 15:5 - Paul says that we as Christians must live in harmony with one another. But this can only happen if there is one Church with one body of faith. This can only happen by the charity of the Holy Spirit who dwells within the Church.
Rom. 16:17 - Paul warns us to avoid those who create dissensions and difficulties. This includes those who break away from the Church and create one denomination after another. We need to avoid their teaching, and bring them back into the one fold of Christ.
1 Cor. 1:10- Paul prays for no dissensions and disagreements among Christians, being of the same mind and the same judgment. How can Protestant pastors say that they are all of the same mind and the same judgment on matters of faith and morals?
Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 - again, the Church does not mean "invisible" unity, because Paul called it the body (not the soul) of Christ. Bodies are visible, and souls are invisible.
Eph. 4:11-14 - God gives members of the Church various gifts in order to attain to the unity of the faith. This unity is only found in the Catholic Church.
Eph. 4:3-5 - we are of one body, one Spirit, one faith and one baptism. This requires doctrinal unity, not 30,000 different denominations.
Eph. 5:25 - the Church is the Bride of Christ. Jesus has only one Bride, not many.
Eph. 5:30; Rom. 12:4-5; 1 Cor. 6:15 - we, as Christians, are one visible body in Christ, not many bodies, many denominations.
Phil. 1:27 - Paul commands that we stand firm in one spirit, with one mind striving side by side for the faith of the Gospel.
Phil. 2:2 - Paul prays that Christians be of the same mind, of one accord. Yet there are 30,000 different "Protest"ant denominations?
Col. 1:18 - Christ is the Head of the one body, the Church. He is not the Head of many bodies or many sects.
Source: Scripture Catholic
He also said things like, "Upon this rock I will build my church," which does let us know he was intending the Church, but it still comes down to relationship. The church is the structure where the relationship takes place, and where we get fed, and associate. Many of the spiritual gifts mentioned by Paul are for the running of the church.
Relationship to God without church is weaker than it should be in most cases.
Church without relationship to God is social club.
"You continue to insist on ignoring that simple verb were."
Are you referring to the word used before "some", because unless I am mistaken, it is also used before "justified"? As in, "I was a thief before I was justified". I did not disagree that their salvation happened in the past tense. I am agreeing. It happened in the past, the same time that they were justified :)
So I am not sure how arguing the fact that they repented, and were justified in the past helps your point that they were not justified?
And me as well. I knew the moment I was saved and it wasn't because of anything I had done. It was the power of God. The problem is the distortion of both Roman Catholics and many Protestants to believe that you must have "faith" or you need to "cooperate" with God. This wasn't the way I came to know Christ. He rescued me. It wasn't until 30+ years later that I finally figure this is how God saves everyone. It is through His grace and His grace alone.
Can you imagine someone asking Lydia how does she really KNOW that she is saved?!? If you're a child of God you know it.
Wow.
You are either a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. You're not free to choose whether you want to be one or the other.
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