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The Abrahamic Covenant: Fulfilled or Postponed?
American Vision ^ | August 22, 1005 | Gary DeMar

Posted on 09/12/2005 7:22:50 AM PDT by topcat54

All prophetic eyes are on Israel. A majority of fundamentalists believe that what happens in the Middle East determines the fate of the world. The world moves at Israel’s pace. For the dispensationalist, what the rest of the world does is irrelevant and meaningless because not only are all prophetic eyes on Israel, but God’s eyes are on Israel. The New Testament focuses on Israel as well. Jesus “was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt. 15:24). Even so, He ministered to Canaanites, Samaritans, and Greeks because it was part of God’s plan of world-wide redemption (Luke 2:32). All the promises made to Israel were fulfilled in Christ. The first Christians were Jews (Acts 2). The church was not a new concept designed to replace Israel. The first church was made up almost exclusively of Jews. Gentiles were grafted in to an already Jewish congregation of believers called “the church.” The Greek word “church” (ekklesia) was a familiar word to first-century Jews (Matt. 16:18; 18:17; Acts 5:11) because it was an old covenant idea (Acts 7:38). Modern-day prophetic theory is based on the false premise that God still owes ethnic Jews the fulfillment of unfulfilled covenant promises.

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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: covenant; dispensationalism; everlasting; prophecy
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"All the dispensational writers I consulted, who have the irritating habit of quoting one another to support their claims, agree that the “Abrahamic covenant is called eternal in the Word of God” (Gen. 17:7, 13b, 19; 1 Chron. 16:16–17; Psalm 105:9–10). Paul Benware writes, “Those blessings included the guarantee of national existence as well as the greatness of the nation, the land area of Canaan as an everlasting possession, and the continuation of the Abrahamic covenant as an everlasting covenant.”

"At the same time the Abrahamic covenant is said to be “everlasting,” dispensationalists insist that it has been postponed. Mal Couch, an advocate of dispensational theology, writes:

Most dispensationalists hold to a kingdom postponement theory. . . . Dispensationalists believe that the kingdom was set aside, the Jews suffered the final dispersement, and the church, which was not mentioned in the Old Testament, was given to reach the Gentile nations.
"Does “everlasting” include the idea of postponement in its dictionary definition or its biblical usage so that it passes as the “primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning” of the word? Is there anything in “the immediate context” of Genesis 17 or when “studied in the light of related passages, and axiomatic and fundamental truths” that would “indicate clearly” that a definition of “everlasting” can include the idea of postponement? Absolutely not. Everlasting and postponement are contradictory ideas."

From Part 1

"Dispensationalists see no problem in manufacturing gaps, delays, postponements, and parentheses2 while still claiming that the Abrahamic covenant is eternal. But they would be hard pressed to apply and defend a similar methodology when it came to God’s everlasting character (Gen. 21:33; Ps. 93:2; Isa. 40:28; 1 Chron. 16:34, 41; 2 Chron. 5:13; Ps. 136; Ps. 119:142; 135:13; 145:13; Is. 45:17; Jer. 31:3; Hab. 3:6) or the everlasting nature of the Noahic covenant."

From Part 2

1 posted on 09/12/2005 7:22:51 AM PDT by topcat54
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2 posted on 09/12/2005 7:24:32 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
Gods covenants are conditional and require proper preparation/action on our part.
3 posted on 09/12/2005 7:28:20 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: BipolarBob
"Gods covenants are conditional and require proper preparation/action on our part."

ACT!!!!! Amen! Prayer's a Powerful Tool--but ya gotta get off your blessed assurance and scream at those demons to leave your children alone, or depart from a sick mother-in-law, in Jesus Name!

When someone has keep their mouths shut to keep food out--or gossip in. When someone reaches deep DEEP down inside their pockets to give away their hard earned $$$ to a man or woman of God, THEN covenants become very, very real, for God is no Liar, folks!

4 posted on 09/12/2005 7:51:33 AM PDT by NameItClaimIt
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To: BipolarBob
....proper preparation/action on our part.

We are saved by our works; got it.

5 posted on 09/12/2005 8:47:33 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: Gamecock
We are saved by our works; got it.

Obviously you don't.

6 posted on 09/12/2005 8:53:07 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: topcat54

Great article. Thanks for posting.


7 posted on 09/12/2005 8:54:04 AM PDT by 57chevypreterist
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To: BipolarBob

Then what don't you expalin it to me?


8 posted on 09/12/2005 8:56:39 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: Gamecock

#1 Waste of time. #2. It is obvious to most that covenants are separate from salvation. #3. I am not in the mood.


9 posted on 09/12/2005 9:02:38 AM PDT by BipolarBob (I'm really BagdadBob under the witness protection program.)
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To: BipolarBob

Thanks for you time.


10 posted on 09/12/2005 9:19:37 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: BipolarBob

Don't recall if you'd be interested in the following thread, or not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1482695/posts?page=32


11 posted on 09/12/2005 9:23:04 AM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: topcat54

ping for later read


12 posted on 09/12/2005 9:32:50 AM PDT by Calm_Cool_and_Elected (Be nice, I'm new here)
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To: topcat54
Okay, I give up: Why do you have a pic of Mothra attacking the Temple? ;-)
13 posted on 09/12/2005 9:33:56 AM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman

"Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, 'Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the land.'" (Rev. 16:1)


14 posted on 09/12/2005 10:10:48 AM PDT by topcat54
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*puzzled look* In your translation of the Bible, Mothra is one of the seven bowl judgments?


15 posted on 09/12/2005 10:27:56 AM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: Buggman; topcat54
Wasn't Mothra one of those beast Gozilla fought?


16 posted on 09/12/2005 10:50:55 AM PDT by HarleyD (I live in my own little world because I enjoy the company.)
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To: topcat54

Thanks for posting and for the ping.


17 posted on 09/12/2005 10:53:09 AM PDT by HarleyD (I live in my own little world because I enjoy the company.)
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To: Buggman

It ain't Mothra. It's a bowl.


18 posted on 09/12/2005 11:32:25 AM PDT by topcat54
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To: topcat54
I figured. I was just having fun with you because of the fuzziness of the image, which made the bowl look like a big white beetle with wings when I first glanced at it.

Internet deadpan. Ya gotta love it.

19 posted on 09/12/2005 11:51:29 AM PDT by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: topcat54; HarleyD; Gamecock
Amen, Topcat.

"What mere man or magician or tyrant or king was ever able by himself to do so much? Did anyone ever fight against the whole system of idol-worship and the whole host of daemons and all magic and all the wisdom of the Greeks, at a time when all of these were strong and flourishing and taking everybody in, as did our Lord, the very Word of God? Yet He is even now invisibly exposing every man's error, and single-handedly is carrying off all men from them all, so that those who used to worship idols now tread them under foot, reputed magicians burn their books and the wise prefer to all studies the interpretation of the gospels. They are deserting those whom formerly they worshipped, they worship and confess as Christ and God Him Whom they used to ridicule as crucified. Their so-called gods are routed by the sign of the cross, and the crucified Saviour is proclaimed in all the world as God and Son of God." -- St. Athanasius, On the Incarnation [53]

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.    

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:    

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." -- Matthew 28:18-20.


20 posted on 09/12/2005 12:25:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (Steven Wright: "So what's the speed of dark?")
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