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To: RnMomof7
"Luther did not add it to scripture He simply showed men what Gods word says as opposed to what men say."

Actually, the Bible doesn't say we're saved by faith alone, it says we're not saved by faith alone. The reference here is correct, Luther did indeed add his teaching to the Bible when he translated it. He also effectively removed the part of the Bible that says we are saved not by faith alone.

To be correct, "salvation by faith alone" is what men say, saved "not by faith alone is what God's word says.
30 posted on 09/01/2005 3:53:10 PM PDT by InterestedQuestioner ("Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.")
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Actually, the Bible doesn't say we're saved by faith alone, it says we're not saved by faith alone. The reference here is correct, Luther did indeed add his teaching to the Bible when he translated it. He also effectively removed the part of the Bible that says we are saved not by faith alone.
To be correct, "salvation by faith alone" is what men say, saved "not by faith alone is what God's word says.

Mk.16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Jn.3:18, 36 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already .... He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

Acts 16:30-31 "Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

Rom.1:16-17 "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God salvation to every one that believeth .... As it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Rom.3:20 "By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight."

Rom.3:28 "A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

Rom.4:2 "For if Abraham were justified by works he hath whereof to glory?"

Rom.4:13 "For the promise ... was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith."

Rom.5:1 "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Rom.10:9 "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Gal.2:16 "A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ."

Gal.3:11-12 "The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith."

Eph.2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast."

Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost."

You can believe Sola Fide, Sola Christus or Sola Ecclesia, not both. But remember God never promised salvation by works or the church

40 posted on 09/02/2005 8:31:44 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: InterestedQuestioner

You are correct here. She is wrong.


52 posted on 09/02/2005 10:16:59 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: InterestedQuestioner
Actually, the Bible doesn't say we're saved by faith alone,

Why do you refuse to see the verses dealing with salvation say nothing about faith PLUS works, or the church, or something else? I see on this thread and the previous one you have NO Bible verses that say that salvation is through faith and works.

it says we're not saved by faith alone.

You have continuously brought up James 2:24, and here and the previous thread, explanations were given. Explantions like: Paul is talking to the saved, the context of the whole chapter, the word in the verse is justified (not saved as you indicate)which means to demonstrate,etc., but your response is the same "salvation through faith ALONE is not in the Bible."

The reference here is correct, Luther did indeed add his teaching to the Bible when he translated it.

This is an interesting topic. One which deserves more then a brief summary, but here it is in a nut shell...I, and most others I see here, are not basing our belief on the writtings of a mortal man named Luther, but on the teachings of Jesus in the Bible.

He also effectively removed the part of the Bible that says we are saved not by faith alone. To be correct, "salvation by faith alone" is what men say, saved "not by faith alone is what God's word says.

This discussion also deals with what is your Bible based on. The 1611 King James Bible is based on over 3000 Greek manuscripts that colaborate each other,not the writtings of Luther. From what I have been able to find out so far, the Catholic Bible is based on 3 manuscripts that are full of omissions and errors. So when you and I disagree on the meaning of a word or a verses origin, our sources are different.
59 posted on 09/02/2005 12:39:18 PM PDT by ScubieNuc
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