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Faithful raise their hands in front of Pope John Paul II in Castelgandolfo, Italy, in this 2003 photo. John Paul II's secretary recently said the pope heard his follower's prayers as he lay on his deathbed.
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Posted on 08/26/2005 12:32:44 PM PDT by Macoraba
My suggestions are --->
One of Poland's patron saints
One of the patron saints of Europe
A patron saint of travellers
A patron saint of athletes
A patron saint of playwriters
A patron saint of linguists and translators
A patron saint of theologians
The Patron Saint of the Sanctity of All Living Souls
Such ugliness!
Worse; for those troubled souls, John Paul II is routinely labeled "the Great" even by Pope Benedict XVI. And, still worse; as Romulus sagely suggests, Pope John Paul II will, likely, be named a Dr. of the Church.
For an opponent of the Magisterium, expecially the Magisterium after 1948, such nightmares are coming true right before their eyes, and such realities give the lie to all their opposition and private judgement.
Pity BC. These are difficult days for autocephalics :)
Dear Macoraba,
Although I loved Pope John Paul II, and would not be at all surprised to see him canonized, this might be a little premature.
As for the appellation "the Great," well, I understand that as applied to popes, it isn't any kind of official Church proclamation, but rather the understanding of the entire Catholic people. Obviously, it is a title that must come with some time and reflection.
However, for those of us who believe that he is John Paul the Great, we may express our view.
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The patron saint of 'fast-tracking', apparently...
patron saint of tearing down tyranny
I'm with you. It is a matter of the acclaim of the faithful over the years that John Paul the Great will be so known.
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That is rediculous and more Vatican II liberal propaganda, just like JPII beautifying over 1000 more than all popes added together over 500 Years!
If you or anyone knew anything about church history, martyr goes back close to the year 250 if I am not mistaken, and the term "martyr" was used as a name for bearing witness with ones own blood; with "confessor" given the name to one who bravely survived persecution. "martyrein" or "bear witness" to Christian belief-through being descriminated against, through suffering, torture, and death. This is what among others Bishop Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna did, and woman such as Blandina, Perpetua, and Felicitas also did, as did Justin Martyr.
The Christian was to to endure the ultimate fate of martrdom but not seek it.
To put this man in the same light as these great Catholics, and give him the title of "The Great" and compare him with St Gregory "The Great" and then call him a "martyr" is to much for any REAL Catholic, who knows their faith and history to stomach
He is no martyr , with his posh travel and with his sheep scattered and Bishops gone wild, to even put him in the same breath as those who were really martyrs is more Vatican II fallacy and comic relief
Martyr?
This rush to cannonization seems a bit odd. The rule was fifty years after death, then changed to ten, then to five, and then the rule is ignored by our Pope to nearer five weeks. Although sure to rebound, JP's long pontificate oversaw the greatest contraction of the Church in 400 years; in the US the Church is a fraction of its size a few decades ago, South America is turning Protestant, Catholic Ireland is no longer Catholic, and at present trend Europe will be majority Muslim in 25 years. If he were to be patron saint of anything it would be closed Catholic schools and parishes. There seems to be a war between the Traditional and Modern faithful (or maybe just a fistfight). Sorry, it seems a bit odd.
"This rush to cannonization seems a bit odd. The rule was fifty years after death, then changed to ten, then to five, and then the rule is ignored by our Pope to nearer five weeks."
St Anthony was canonized less than a year after he died, St Francis under two years and St Clare a bit over two years after she died. No doubt there are alot more examples.
I don't think that anyone doubts his personal holiness.
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Faithful raise their hands in front of Pope John Paul II in Castelgandolfo, Italy, in this 2003 photo. John Paul II's secretary recently said the pope heard his follower's prayers as he lay on his deathbed.
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ROME - As he lay dying, Pope John Paul II was aware of the presence of the crowd in St. Peter's Square below his apartment window and calmly viewed death as a "passage from one room to another," his longtime secretary said in an interview broadcast Friday night.
"He heard everything. He heard the square, he heard the prayer, the presence of the young people. The Holy Father heard, because he was conscious right to the end, almost to the end, even the last day," Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz told private Italian Canale 5's TG5 news in an interview in Krakow, Poland, where he will be installed as archbishop on Saturday.
Dziwisz served as Karol Wojtyla's secretary in Krakow, where the future pope served as cardinal, and continued to serve him in the Vatican until John Paul's death April 2 at age 84.
The archbishop was referring to the crowd of faithful that had gathered in the square below John Paul's apartment window to pray and keep vigil for the pontiff in the last days of his life.
Pope’s last words: ‘Totus tuus’
The former papal secretary said the last words he heard the pope utter were "Totus tuus," the pontiff's Latin motto for "Completely yours," dedicating himself to Mary.
> Patron Saint of knocking down walls
Indeed, I was going to suggest Patron Saint of Kicking Communist Arse.
JPII isn't a martyr and he's not canonized. Get a grip.
Pope John Paul II a 'martyr': Vatican
Posted online: Friday, August 26, 2005 at 1154 hours IST
Vatican City, August 26: The editor of the Vatican newspaper today said that Pope John Paul II was a "martyr" even though he survived a 1981 assassination attempt.
That classification would mean he would not need to have a miracle attributed to him in order to be beatified.
Mario Agnes, editor-in-chief of the official Vatican daily L'Osservatore Romano, told an annual pro-catholic political meeting that the stones in St Peter's Square where John Paul's blood was shed should be preserved because it was the blood of "an authentic martyred Pope."
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