Posted on 08/08/2005 4:34:00 AM PDT by Quix
A Most Solemn Call
Christine Darg
Dear friends,
The following call is a very serious one and right on, I want to add again the call to pray for New York as this City represents by my understanding the main target of the next attack in the US, also as until recently it had the largest concentration of Jewish People in the world.
They call it the "Big Apple" and the Jewish people are the "Apple of God's Eye". I really felt that was a lot of the reason that it became already the target on 9/11, and it will be the again the next one also, it has been prophetically said many times, specially during the past 12 months.....!
Shalom Ueli Surbeck
Message: 1 A MOST SOLEMN CALL by Christine Darg
Message: 2 USA: Al-Qaida's US Nuclear Targets by "Katrina Parnell"
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Message: 3 Global: Can Terrorists Build A Nuclear Bomb? by "Katrina Parnell"
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Message: 1 A MOST SOLEMN CALL TO BELIEVERS WORLDWIDE TO FAST ON EVERY FRIDAY TO CONTAIN ISLAMIC TERRORISM by Christine Darg
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Tue, 26 Jul 2005
Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Isaiah 58: 6)
Early in the morning before the July 7 bombings in London, sleep eluded me. The Lord said solemnly, ‘I am calling you to call my people to fast and pray every Friday to contain Islamic terrorism.’ The same morning, a brother in Baghdad who is translating into Arabic my book,
‘The Jesus Visions: Signs and Wonders in the Muslim World,’ emailed me concerning Islamic terrorism.
He quoted Jesus in Matthew 17:21: ‘This kind does not come out except by prayer and fasting.’ We covenanted to obey the heavenly call and to add regular fasting to our prayers on Fridays.
Within a few hours the call to fast was confirmed by the coordinated attacks on London transport; the subsequent failed attempts of similar coordinated attacks in London encourages us that disasters can be diverted through prayer and fasting.
For many years many of us have been praying and fasting individually for the Moslem people, but the Islamic world is no longer a ‘special interest group’ of concern to just some believers in the Church. The threat of Islamic terrorism has now become the concern of every true worshipper of the God of Israel. In Derek Prince’s book, Shaping History Through Prayer and Fasting, he stated that there are some answers we never obtain until we add fasting to our prayers.
Friday is the day that much hatred, violence and blood-thirsty rhetoric is fomented in fundamentalist mosques around the world. The Lord’s solemn call to fast and pray is not intended to extend into the Sabbath day of rest, which begins Friday evening at mealtime, but is intended to consist of afflicting our souls with fasting during breakfast and/or lunch on Fridays as a way of humbling ourselves and to entreat His mercy corporately. Islamic terrorists crave an ‘Hiroshima’ upon their enemies.
In Israel, a fence can deter some terrorism, but in most nations we cannot build a wall to protect ourselves from sleeper cells. Nevertheless ‘The weapons of our warfare are not physical but are mighty through God for the pulling down of strongholds.’ The weapons of corporate prayer and fasting can bring victory and delay divine judgments in this time of great peril. Corporate fasting is part of the process of humbling ourselves that is being required by Heaven.
‘If My people who are called by My name [YHVH, not Allah] shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.’ (2 Chronicles 7: 14)
As we gave this solemn call first in England at an ‘Open Heaven’ conference July 9 and also in churches in Virginia and in the Washington, D.C. area this past weekend, many have responded to the Spirit’s call and have asked what is involved in this fast. Some say they are not able to fast because of sicknesses. (Be healed!) But this call is not intended to be a ‘religious’ fast.
Ask the Holy Spirit to show you how to participate in this Prophetic Summons during these strategic hours on Fridays: perhaps forfeit one meal, two meals, perhaps a partial fast. But do something by faith to be a part of this corporate response to Heaven.
For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. (2 Chronicles 16:9)
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (Amos 3: 7)
We humbly implore you not to disregard this call. Many of us for many years in Jerusalem have faithfully banded together to pray specifically for the irreversible overthrow of the Anti- Christ Pharaoh-like principality of Islam that is holding a billion souls captive.
Therefore this call from Heaven was not given to us by chance but because in some measure we have gained a place in intercession concerning this grave issue. Therefore the Lord says, ‘Be not distracted nor indulgent but put your hand to this plough of fasting and prayer and you will be numbered among those who stand in the gap and build up My hedge to avert many calamities and disasters.’
As you fast, pray: --that we will be forgiven for our gross national sins (bullying Israel, abortion, same sex marriages, euthanasia, pornography, sexual predators on children, playing God in laboratories yet denying God and his commandments in schools, courthouses).
As we humble ourselves Heaven may decide not to allow the Islamic terrorists to scourge us with weapons of mass destruction. God who is plenteous in mercy may leave behind a blessing and stay his Hand on ripe judgments. --that the hatred and curses hurled from fundamentalist mosques will be bound and nullified --that sleeper cells will be exposed and all military intelligence will be accurate to avert many national disasters --that our political and religious leaders will cease being politically correct and will deal decisively with Islamic terror in a bold, courageous manner --that the terrorists will be miraculously converted for ‘they know not what they do’ and in their misguided zeal believe they are doing their god a service --pray for many of the terrorists to have dreams and visions and to repent --that misguided suicide bombers and all terrorists will receive a vision and understanding that they are indeed dupes, pawns, murderers and not martyrs and that the reality of their destiny is eternal damnation unless they repent
Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast. . . . Let the priests, the ministers of YHVH, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O YHVH. . . . (Joel 2:15-17)
Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? (Isaiah 58: 6)
(Christine Darg, an author and broadcaster who ministers in Israel and the nations, received this call. Her contact is info@exploits.tv)
Message: 2 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:54:06 -0000 From: "Katrina Parnell"
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Subject: USA: Al-Qaida's US Nuclear Targets
UNITED STATES
Al-Qaida's U.S. nuclear targets Captured documents, terrorists reveal bin Laden's preferred dates, places for 'American Hiroshima'
Al-Qaida's prime targets for launching nuclear terrorist attacks are the nine U.S. cities with the highest Jewish populations, according to captured leaders and documents.
As first revealed last week in Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, the premium, online intelligence newsletter published by the founder of WND, Osama bin Laden is planning what he calls an "American Hiroshima," the ultimate terrorist attack on U.S. cities, using nuclear weapons already smuggled into the country across the Mexican border along with thousands of sleeper agents.
The series of attacks is designed to kill 4 million, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.
At least two fully assembled and operational nuclear weapons are believed to be hidden in the United States already, according to G2 Bulletin intelligence sources and an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by former FBI consultant Paul L. Williams.
The cities chosen as optimal targets are New York, Miami, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Boston and Washington, D.C. New York and Washington top the preferred target list for al-Qaida leadership.
Bin Laden's goal, according to G2 Bulletin sources, is to launch one initial attack, followed by a second on another city to simulate the U.S. bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The optimal dates for the attacks are Aug. 6, the anniversary of the Hiroshima bombing, Sept. 11 and May 14, the anniversary of the re-creation of the state of Israel in 1948. No specific year has been suggested, however, this Aug. 6 represents the 60th anniversary of the Hiroshima attack.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp‘ ARTICLE_ID=45313
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:01:53 -0000 From: "Katrina Parnell"
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Subject: Global: Can Terrorists Build A Nuclear Bomb?
GLOBAL
Popular Science Article by Michael Crowley 07/27/05
Amid the conflict in Iraq and the hunt for Osama bin Laden, this is a side of the war on terrorism you rarely hear about: the drive to prevent terrorists from acquiring the ingredients for a nuclear bomb. In recent years, operations similar to the one in Uzbekistan have been conducted in Libya, Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria. These efforts reflect an intense and growing concern within the U.S. government about the specter of nuclear terrorism.
It is one of the few issues on which President George W. Bush agreed with his former rival, John Kerry, who called nuclear terrorism the greatest threat that we face in the world today.
That threat comes not just from suspected weapons programs in Iran and North Korea, but also from Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. Last year Michael Scheuer, who ran the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit for several years in the late 1990s, wrote a letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee warning of the "careful, professional manner in which al-Qaeda was seeking nuclear weapons . . . in deadly earnest." More than a decade ago, bin Laden allegedly tried to buy a canister of uranium in Sudan for $1.5 million. (He appears to have been scammed.)
In August 2001, he met with two Pakistani nuclear scientists. And later that year, crude sketches of nuclear weapons were found in Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. Scheuer told CBS's 60 Minutes last year that bin Laden even sought a religious edict from a Saudi cleric on whether he could use a nuclear weapon against America. The cleric's answer: Go for it.
Intent isn't the same as capability, of course. But of more than a dozen nuclear-arms experts I interviewed, almost all agreed that assembling a crude nuclear bomb, though extremely difficult, is by no means impossible.
Just ask Graham Allison. In his recent book Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe, he concludes that a terrorist nuke attack is "inevitable" unless the U.S. works much harder and faster to safeguard nuclear material. A former assistant secretary of defense who served under President Bill Clinton and now teaches government at Harvard University, Allison is actually taking small bets from colleagues that terrorists will detonate a crude nuclear bomb in a U.S. city within a decade. "If this happened tomorrow," he says, "I could almost explain it more easily than I could explain why it hasn't happened."
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,1017201,00.ht ml
JM
I've been here awhile and had some rather tense discussions with people. But never in my wildest dreams would I think that JR would allow someone to be banned for expressing a belief.
The person who labelled him upatriotic needs to look in a mirror.
I may not like what someone has to say, but by God I will defend to the death their right to say it. Or believe it.
Having had several "discussions" with Quix, I suspect there is much more to it that that.
....it's not the same without him
That, my FRiend, is an understatement.
You and I have tons and tons in common.
Though I personally never served in the military (came VERY close to enlisting in the Army), one of my closest relatives worked for the DoD. You understand?
I also know the GREAT I AM to be a Triune God. He has carte blanche in my life to move, Father, Son, AND Holy Spirit.
I dearly love Ephesians Chapter Two. So much so that I memorized most of it.
Now, as for prophecy not happening: Glad you exempt the ones reporting 1/23 was going to be a day of catastrophe from stoning.
I went through yesterday wondering what would happen. Especially because I have family members in DC and Atlanta. I am glad and relieved they are still safe and sound.
I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.
To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.
I don't know.
I still hearken to that still small voice. I still humbly pray and seek His face and turn from my wicked ways and wait for Him to heal my land.
If He chooses to speak through some humans, I will discerningly listen.
I don't want to:
1. Say something is of God that is not.
2. Say something is not of God that is.
I still fear Him. My life's hidden with Christ in God.
Eph. 2
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Anyway, I still think you and I have more in common than at odds.
Thanks for the feedback.
JM
Hi Gamecock, thanks for your comments.
If there's more to his having been permanently banned, I am not aware of it; I still hope to see the ban lifted.
Even if Jim Robinson set some limits with him, such as not copying and pasting long docs from other websites, or some such, and then allow him to come back within such parameters, I think Quix would happily comply.
Quix had plenty to say on many topics, and he was a solid presence here.
JM
I don't sense that any of those hearing that 1/23 was to be a day of pestilence and destruction were grandstanding or Prophe-Lying.
To me, they were sincerely reporting what they heard or saw in the spiritual realm. It didn't happen on 1/23. OKAY. Were they wrong? Apparently. Or maybe, rather than being wrong, something changed to avert such things. Perhaps something stayed the events.
I proceeded with that grace while waiting to see what will happen since I am very close to one of the targeted cities. With the exception of the false Colson posting, I was willing to accept it at face value. The words indicated a very literal event. The use of phrases like "CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN" and It firm and standing boldly and CANNOT BE MOVED! These statements strongly indicate that the actions were not conditional upon our repentance or anything that we could do.
Now, where does this all lead? Because of the non-occurance of this event, the prophets need to reevaluate how and what they hear. Since it appears that they have made a ministry of being prophetic, their credability has been tarnished with both believers and non-believers who have been exposed to this message. I don't know what their past 'record' is, but they share a higher standard of evaluation and judgement by God (new testament - that of a teacher).
The integrity of their messages must be untarnished, else people will ignore them (cry wolf syndrome) and when the true word of the Lord arrives, people will ignore it because of the reputation of false (as in not occuring) prophecies. My rebuke is that of one to review and be certain of what they hear, and that they must realize that what they put forth as prophecies from the Lord must be undeniable and there are consequences for false or inaccurate words.
"Good company"??!! Both Robertson and the mayor apologized for their inappropriate and unsupportable statements. I suspect Quix tried the same tactics. He was a well-known loose cannon.
Hello Godzilla,
Fair enough.
You make some very good points.
As for the Colson quote, I apologize for not vetting it before posting. Though I am having a very busy week, I will try to look into it and get back to this thread with whatever I find out.
And you are correct, the phrases CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN & CANNOT BE MOVED were in the words. And yet, 1/23 came and went without such occurences. Not that I wanted traumatic things to happen yesterday, I most certainly did not. I don't understand it. And I agree it's a real dilemma to publicize such and leave folks, believers and unbelievers alike wondering.
I still know God wants to be included in our lives. He loves us. His statutes are for our own benefit. He requires that we answer to Him, if not now, then later.
Time doesn't permit me to post more right now.
Appreciate the dialogue, I will write more at a later time.
JM
I wonder if the very lopsided, double-standard hostility some of you displayed to Quix had anything to do with his banning?
There was no warning. No chance for Quix to defend himself against the charge of being unpatriotic. He was just banned.
He was a valued member of FR, and he would be welcomed back by a majority of FReepers.
JM
I know that both Robertson and Nagin were both chastised for the statements, I simply meant that he was in well-known company. I don't know Quix and am not familiar with his posts.
I resent that. I'm pretty equal opportunity when it comes to hostility. :-)
My impression of Quix was that he was prone to long-winded, cut-and-paste postings from dubious sources. When you call him on the details of some of these questionable quotes (I recall the "St. Nilus" controversy), he would resort to name-calling to avoid the issues. Same is true when you would ask for Scripture references to support his wild claims.
He was less than honorable in his tactics.
Well we are both thankful for an uneventful 23rd.
No doubt the false prophets in the Old Testament tried that very same line as they were being carted off to be stoned.
So, either they were listening to Satan, or their phone line to the Almighty has a bit of static, or they are careless about the "message" they received. Other possibilities?
Unless you are able to perform a Vulcan mind-meld with the individuals, then this is idle speculation and worthless to discuss here. Let God deal with them on this issue when God is ready. It is His purview.
So what you are saying is that the rest of the church should sit idly by while these "prophets" make a mockery of God's true revelation? I doubt the apostle Paul would be so timid.
"Let two or three prophets speak, and let others judge." (1 Cor. 14:29)
I cannot agree with a hands off policy. If they want to function as a legitimate part of the church, then they need to be subject to the church. If they want to make their "prophecies" public, then they need to deal with the fall out publically.
IMO they need to repent of their errors, and the only way that will happen is for the church to apply righteous pressure.
I really don't think you've read my previous posts, so don't even try to accuse me of this. I've already made it very clear that these individuals need to step back and evaluate their 'hearing from God'. And the church needs to respond. Judge actions - yes, but only God knows the motives and motivation and that is His arena to work. That is my point of disagreement with you. Unless you have some other information, I'm pretty sure that all you know about these individuals is what you have read here or somewhere else on the net.
I doubt the apostle Paul would be so timid.
No Paul was not timid, but Paul also administered grace. Paul primarily addressed judging the actions but on occasion supernaturally enabled to address the individual's motivation. I'm not so gifted and I doubt if you or others here can claim the same gift that Paul had. Therefore to speculate if they heard from demons, flesh, whatever, is not something we have been given to discern or judge with out further insight or background. Do you want your motives judged by the same standard by others who DON'T know your motives or thoughts?
I was speaking objectively -- and it is true -- that either the false "message" came from Satan, or it came from God but was badly misinterpreted by the "prophet", or it came purely from the imagination of the "prophet". How is that analysis judging motives?
We can only judge results. A truly sincere "prophet" (if there is such a thing in this day and age) would quickly understand their error and move to resolve it with the church. The church should be trained to discount their false messages and relegate them to obscurity.
You are attempting to judge that which cannot be known except between the individual and God, barring supernatural gifting. Perhaps motives is not totally an accurate term, but you are trying to judge upon them something that is beyond our ability and with our current knowledge.
We can only judge results. A truly sincere "prophet" (if there is such a thing in this day and age) would quickly understand their error and move to resolve it with the church. The church should be trained to discount their false messages and relegate them to obscurity.
You have no arguement from me there. And upon the basis of results we are commanded to judge. The unknowns are God's realm, and whether it was a sincere misunderstanding of what God told them or satan's whispers, is something we do not have the ability to judge and ought to leave it between God and these prophets.
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