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1 posted on 07/27/2005 10:16:14 AM PDT by American Newsman
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I'm not even Catholic and I'm impressed with this guy. He sure ain't shy about saying what he thinks.


2 posted on 07/27/2005 10:19:45 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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Correction. Liberal western churches are dying. Traditional Latin masses are flourishing in the west.
3 posted on 07/27/2005 10:20:03 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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The Catholic Church in the US continues to grow, despite the recent scandals. Let the good folks fed up with the liberalism of the mainline protestent churches come join!


4 posted on 07/27/2005 10:22:07 AM PDT by pissant
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yep, churches which wont stand up for what's right are dying.

Europe and America are the most in need of missonaries.


6 posted on 07/27/2005 10:23:32 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2
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Not exactly a news flash, as churches that claim to be Christian have been steadily abandoning their foundations for as long as I can remember. A couple of generations ago, hour-long, heck-fire-and-darnation sermons from the pulpit were not that uncommon, but those old-time preachers have long since been supplanted by the "kinder, gentler" voices of calm and soothing platitudes.


7 posted on 07/27/2005 10:25:05 AM PDT by alloysteel ("Master of the painfully obvious.....")
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Mainstream churches in the West appear to be dying as societies that are increasingly secular see less need for God, Pope Benedict said

CORRECT!!! Mainstream as they have outlived God's destiny for them.

The Good Lord is taking the sheep to the Next Level by raising up Christian television stations, like DAYSTAR, and HUGH congregations, such as Saddleback, Potter's House, and Lakewood, to get the ball rolling!

Hallelujah!!!!!

14 posted on 07/27/2005 10:47:47 AM PDT by Ff--150 (The Blessing of the LORD Maketh RICH--no sorrow addedb)
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Welcome to FR!


23 posted on 07/27/2005 12:08:01 PM PDT by landerwy
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Let me share a microcosm of the big picture which is causing the Church in America to die.

The Bishop of Fresno did not fare well financially in the last diocesan appeal. People are sick of his protection of homosexual priests, his greed, unorthodoxy, and his mistreatment of good people. So, Steinbock has decided to apply financial pressure on the laity at the local level. He decreed a certain amount that each parish had to raise to give to the diocese. His goal is six million +. He has hired a fundraising company to teach people to pressure parishoners (at home, by phone) into giving. He wants monthly donations, no word if he gets automatic access to their checking accounts. One wealthy parish has been told to raise one million +.

What does this friend of Mahony want to do with the money? He wants to buy land in the mountains around the retreat center he is renting from the Franciscans. He wants to put in an Olympic style pool so hormone driven teenagers on retreat can have co-ed fun (I kid you not).

He recently informed CCD teachers that they are no longer allowed to teach the sixth commandment (Thou shalt not commit adultery). One woman resisted and was told "We don't do (teach) that anymore." I AM NOT KIDDING. Steinbock kicked out several conservative Novus Ordo priests because their teaching was too traditional (small t). Some found refuge in Sacramento. I don't know where the others went.

People of the Fresno diocese want Rome to do an audit and intervene. They are extremely upset.

This type of thinking and worse is found in most places around California and the U.S. The all out assault is moving to full speed ahead. These guys have no fear. Who is going to smack them down, Levada? Laughable. That should be interesting to watch. If the "Church" is growing here it isn't Catholicism which is growing. It's Unitarianism.

P.S. Did I mention Fresno has a serious problem with demonic infestations and harassments? Guess who refuses to help?


33 posted on 07/27/2005 12:55:00 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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Does anyone know why this poster was banned or suspended?


52 posted on 07/27/2005 9:45:52 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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When the people more and more consider themselves god, why would they feel they need God?


56 posted on 07/27/2005 10:02:05 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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