Posted on 07/10/2005 5:27:58 AM PDT by NYer
Among Catholic doctrines, those pertaining to the papacy tend to be the most misunderstood and contested by non-catholics. The following verses show the biblical basis for Catholic teaching on the primacy of Peter, the office of the papacy being established by Christ and allusions to the doctrine of infallibility. These doctrines reached their full development in the life of the Church only after centuries of contemplation and study, in councils and through the actions of the popes. And we should never forget that since the Church is likened by Christ to a mustart seed that grows and develops organically from a speck into a large treelike plant, therefore we should not expect to see the Churchs doctrines fully developed and visible in its present form in the pages of the New Testament. What we do find in the New Testament though, is the scriptural record of Peters primacy among the Apostles and the seminal outlines of the doctrines pertaining to the papacy.
The Primacy of Peter
One compelling biblical fact that points clearly to Simon Peters primacy among the 12 Apostles and his importance and centrality to the drama of Christs earthly ministry, is that he is mentioned by name (e.g. Simon, Peter, Cephas, Kephas, etc.) 195 times in the course of the New Testament. The next most often-mentioned Apostle is St. John, who is mentioned a mere 29 times. After John, in descending order, the frequency of the other Apostles being mentioned by name trails off rapidly.
When the names of all the Apostles are listed, Peter is always first. Judas Iscariot, the Lords traitor, is always listed last (cf. Matt. 10:2-5; Mark 3:16-19; Luke 6:14-17; and Acts 1:13). Sometimes Scripture speaks simply of Simon Peter and the rest of the Apostles or Peter and his companions (cf. Luke 9:32; Mark 16:7; Acts 2:37), showing that he had a special role that represented the entire apostolic college. Often, Scripture shows Simon Peter as spokesman for the entire apostolic college, as if he were the voice of the Church (cf. Mat. 18:21; Mark 8:29; Luke 8:45; Luke 12:41; John 6:68-69).
Other Citations
It is from Simon Peters fishing boat (cf. Luke 5:3) that Christ preaches to the crowds (this is significant in light of the fact that, since very early times, the Catholic Church has been widely referred to in patristic writings and religious art as the barque [archaic English for boat] of Peter. In these episodes, Peter plays a central role in the drama as usual).
In Mark 16:7 we see that the angels single Peter out among the Apostles when they tell the Holy Women to go, tell his disciples and Peter about the Lords Resurrection.
In Luke 24:33-35 we see that the risen Christ appears to Simon Peter first, before appearing to the other Apostles.
In Acts 1:15-26 it is Peter who leads the Apostles in selecting a replacement for Judas.
In Acts 3:1-9, we see St. Peter leading the infant Christian Church forward through difficult moments after the Resurrection. He is clearly the chief of the Apostles as he preaches in Acts 2 the first post-Pentecost sermon to the crowds, performs in Acts 3 the first post-Pentecost miracle and in Acts 4, with John,m turns the tables on the Jewish Sanhedrin by putting them on trial in the very setting where they intended to intimidate the Apostles.
In Acts 10, Simon Peter receives a special revelation from God that Gentiles are to be welcomed into the Church without having to follow Jewish Kosher food restrictiions or undergo circumcision. In Acts 11, he acts in the name of the Church in welcoming the first Gentile converts to be received according to this new revelation.
In Acts 15, at the Council of Jerusalem, Peter delivers the revelation pertaining to Gentile believers that causes the disputes to cease and the room to fall silent (cf. Acts 6-12). St. James, the bishop of Jerusalem, appears in a position of leadership alongside Peter. While James delivers the pastoral, disciplinary teaching (cf. Acts 13-21), it was Peter who delivered the binding doctrinal teaching. His primacy was recognized by St. Paul (who in Antioch withstood Peter to his face over the vexing issue of his refraining to eat with Gentiles) when he describes in Galatians 1:18 how he went to see Peter to make sure his teaching was in line with Peters.
Professor of New Testament Literature at Calvin Seminary, Professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Seminary, New Testament Professor, Professor of New Testament, Senior Lecturer in the Department of Biblical Studies. Keep telling yourself they don't read the Bible and you might start to believe it.
That's another standard rebuttal I've encountered with your type: if anyone doesn't agree with your interpretation of Scripture, then "they don't read the Bible". It can't ever be that there is just a disagreement on interpretation - it has to be that they don't read the Bible.
Right out of the play book. It's old, but standard, and a technique with which your assistant pastor is familiar, I'm sure.
One of the advantages of the Catholic Church is that it does have adult leadership . . .
No. The Greek doesn't say Peter is a stone.
For if the Aramaic Peter means ROCK, then the Greek, which is the accepted RCC version, regardless of which Greek text you think of, says Peter is a STONE, not a ROCK, is it a bad translation?
Petra/petros is rock, in Greek. In the Koine Greek there is no distinction between petra and petros. See Thayer's Lexicon of the New Testament.
Lithos (Strong's 3037) is stone in Greek and you can see the usage of lithos/stone in 1 Peter 2. Simon Barjona is called Petros, not Lithos, in Matthew 16:18. The word Lithos would have been used if Simon Barjona was to be designated a small stone as opposed to rock. Although you want to ignore the Aramaic, the same goes for John 1:42. Jesus calls Simon the son of Jona, Cephas (rock), and not Evna (small stone).
You seem to be stuck on the thought that if Peter is called Rock by Jesus, then he must be God because Rock refers only to God. Nobody thinks Peter is God because of his new name. As someone already noted, in Isaiah 51, God calls Abraham the rock from which Israel is hewn (and Abraham is even called "your father", but that's a topic for another discussion). So there are two very signficant instances in Scripture where rock is used to designate someone other than God.
Peter is "in Christ", a new creation of God, and being called Rock does not detract from God. Like Abraham, Peter has a special role to play.
I know that no amount of discussion will change your mind because it is cast in petros, but laying all the cards on the table will help others to understand the point.
There is no need to address it. We agree that this is a context of Matthew 16:13-19.
Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
and
thou art Peter
Now THAT is a particularly large rock.
Normally, it would be bewildering...And if what the Catholic Church says was true, there'd be no reason for non-Catholics to exist, I suppose...But look at the last part of this piece...
His primacy was recognized by St. Paul (who in Antioch withstood Peter to his face over the vexing issue of his refraining to eat with Gentiles) when he describes in Galatians 1:18 how he went to see Peter to make sure his teaching was in line with Peters.
You're led to believe the Bible is being quoted here, however, Paul did not recognize Peter for any sort of Primacy...
And the rest of this statement is pure fabrication by your Church...Thee are some facts in the Bible that totally contradict this statement...Let's look...
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Yes, Paul did go see Peter...That's the only accurate statement in this whole mess...
Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
How much more clear can it get??? Peter no doubt was a great Apostle, and he did minister thru the 'transition' of the church from Old Testament Jews to the beginning of the church...But when Paul showed up, Jesus directed Peter to minister to the Jews, not the Gentiles...That job was given to Paul...What primacy Peter may have had was gone...
Now here's a shocker for you:
Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
So did you get that??? Peter was not walking 'uprightly' according to the TRUTH of the gospel...
So look at this again from the article:
when he describes in Galatians 1:18 how he went to see Peter to make sure his teaching was in line with Peters.
Not only is this statement completely untrue, the truth is, Paul went to Peter to read him the riot act...Peter was screwing up and Paul had to straighten him out...Paul definatley did not go to see Peter to get himself straightened out...
So to answer your question; when the Bible says one thing and YOUR church says another, we chose to go with the Bible...And when we see a church that appears to use deception to convince it's followers, we get as far away as we can...
Sounds to me to be exactly what Jesus was talking about in Mat. 6:13-14. Is the Catholic Church the "wide gate?"
Sorry to disappoint you friend, but the Catholic Church did not give us the Bible. The Bible was given to us by God. It was pinned by His chosen writers and inspired by the Holy Spirit. All the Catholic church did was to compile the scriptures the church established by Jesus had been using for hundreds of years.
So please give credit where it is due; to God, not to the Catholic Church which is an apostacy from the original church of the first century.
Good stuff! I think it's also significant that the native speakers of Greek, the Eastern churches, have never accepted the Latin church's interpretation of this Greek verse.
Well done, interpreting scripture with scripture.
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