Posted on 07/03/2005 5:30:41 AM PDT by NYer
LYON, France — A French woman defied a threat of excommunication by the Roman Catholic Church and held a ceremony proclaiming herself a priest on Saturday.
In a small ceremony on a boat, Genevieve Beney was joined by other women from around the world who have taken similar dramatic action to draw attention to the church’s policy against women priests.
“This is not a rupture with the Roman Catholic Church,” Beney said in a statement read aloud before she boarded the boat. “If there is a rupture on my part, it is with a situation that I consider to be obsolete and unjust to women.”
The Vatican has not commented on the case but has made clear it sees no room for debate about opening up the priesthood to women. The Church says Jesus chose men to be his apostles and that the practice of ordaining only men must stand.
In 2002, seven women — from Austria, Germany and the United States — conducted an ordination ceremony and were promptly excommunicated from the church.
Two of the women who participated in that ceremony — Gisela Forster of Germany and Christine Mayr-Lumetzberger of Austria — led Saturday’s ceremony, along with a third woman who followed in their footsteps, Patricia Fresen of South Africa.
Beney, a theologian, says its time for the church to change.
“We consider ourselves Catholic,” Beney told AP in an earlier interview. “But we do not agree with the church law … that says only a baptized male can be ordained as a priest.”
The Archbishop of Lyon, Philippe Barbarin, urged Beney earlier this week not to follow through with her plan, saying it “will constitute a serious act of rupture in respect to the Catholic Church.”
“There will be no truth to the words that will be pronounced,” Barbarin said. “For many Catholics, this will be a source of useless injury and suffering.”
A spokesman for the archbishop, Vincent Feroldi, said that no decree of excommunication would technically be necessary since Beney’s act violates church law and automatically makes her incapable of receiving the sacraments, such as communion.
Before boarding the boat, Beney’s husband, Albert Ratz, called his wife’s act “a magnificent adventure, an act of resistance against incomprehensible blockage by the Catholic church.”
Actually, there is an excellent site with a discussion forum.
(Just winning a point over some of the posters who told me the Catholic Church does a literal interpretation of the Bible, and only in context.)
The version that St Jerome recommended ...
If you want to 'preach' using your 'more complete' bible than preach or teach ... but other than rock throws such as yours, I have yet to see a single Catholic 'quote' anything from the additional books in the Old Testament that the RCC 'added' to what our Jewish brethren already 'canonized' as scriptures.
Just playing dress-up. Playing church.
thanks for that link ... in reviewing this site, it seems that the discussion comments are longer but that it appears to be more catholic in support of catholic. Good site though!!
I will review it and the other though, thanks again. I have already posted some 'questions' on the first site.
thanks for that link ... in reviewing this site, it seems that the discussion comments are longer but that it appears to be more catholic in support of catholic. Good site though!!
I will review it and the other though, thanks again. I have already posted some 'questions' on the first site.
Lol ... Your comment reminded me how some of my childhood friends would get to gether and "play church". The boys took turns being the priest and the girls were nuns. I don't ever recall any of the girls feeling left out or envious about not playing the part of the priest.
Catholics and all Christians believe that Judas Iscariot was one of the original twelve, and betrayed Jesus to his everlasting infamy and likely his eternal doom. He also committed suicide (or fell and was split open) after coming to realize his errors and crime.
No one can truly believe the lies put forward as plausible truth in "The Da Vinci Code." Get real.
I know, I'm just responding to a silly accusation with another one.
While I recognize the apocrypha as valuable history, it doesn't equate it with holy scripture. Same for the Book of Mormon, the Gospel of Thomas, the book of "Q", etc.
DaVinci Code? New Age? You don't know me at all bub. All I asked was if you were referring to the KJV. And I mentioned that books were removed. Don't get you're panties in a bunch.
I'm proud of me "for know that" too. ;)
Look harder.
Always you make fun of people try your language?
In this particular thread we have dispensed with extra-Biblical sources and have been holding tight to the PRINTED WORD ONLY.
Did you ask the girls how they felt, or did you just let them grow up to be Methodists (LOL).
http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/vinci/lastsupp.jpgMP>Please notice the lady to the RIGHT HAND OF JESUS.
Who might that be?
Pentecostals have priests?
And I suppose you knew that one of the major points in the the "claptrap book" that this painting depicted Mary Magdalen next to Jesus at the Last Supper.
Who might that be?
It might be John, or perhaps, as some speculate, da Vinci exchanged the visage of John for Christ's Mother Mary -- an M is formed if one looks at the red color. I'll stick with John.
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