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Secretary Didn't Burn John Paul's Notes
AP ^ | 06-04-2005 | MONIKA SCISLOWSKA

Posted on 06/04/2005 8:23:30 AM PDT by RushCrush

WARSAW, Poland - Pope John Paul II's longtime private secretary said Saturday he did not burn the late pontiff's notes as his will demanded, arguing that the papers contain "great riches" and should instead be preserved.

Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, who worked with the pope from 1966 until his death earlier this year, told Polish state radio there are "quite a lot of manuscripts on various issues," but he offered no details.

"Nothing has been burned," Dziwisz said. "Nothing is fit for burning, everything should be preserved and kept for history, for the future generations — every single sentence."

"These are great riches that should gradually be made available to the public."

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; honoringthedead; humandignity; johnpaul; johnpaulii; jp2; lastwishes; stanislawdziwisz; wills
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1 posted on 06/04/2005 8:23:31 AM PDT by RushCrush
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I'm not sure what to think of this. I can see where we would want to save his notes, however, it was not only a verbal wish but stated in his will?

Hmm, not following the pontiffs written statement?

They should burn the notes, obviously John Paul was more interested in his heavenly reward than people here on earth pawing through his private thoughts and papers.

The right and moral thing to do would be to burn the notes. I just don't understand.


2 posted on 06/04/2005 8:28:19 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: RushCrush

I read about another person, Augustus Toplady, who directed in his will that all his manuscripts to be burned. Quite frankly I'm puzzled at why a person would make such a request.

Anybody who wants to read my pithy sayings after I'm gone can have at them. They'll find most of my great "theological treasures" here at FR. :O)


3 posted on 06/04/2005 8:29:07 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: ozarkgirl

I'm torn. Of course I would love to read JP's notes, but it was his will after all. Strange.


4 posted on 06/04/2005 8:30:52 AM PDT by RushCrush (Never give in! Never, never, never, never! Never yield in any way great or small.)
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To: RushCrush

He sees $$$$$$.


5 posted on 06/04/2005 8:32:44 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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Wills should be honored. They are a sacred trust. This sets a bad precedent and example.


6 posted on 06/04/2005 8:33:50 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: RushCrush

"You burn if you want to. The Sec'y's not for burning!"


7 posted on 06/04/2005 8:37:37 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Aliska
Wills should be honored. They are a sacred trust. This sets a bad precedent and example.

I have to agree. The papacy should be setting a good example, not refusing one's last written request to curb their own curiousity. Perhaps God didn't want his thoughts given to John Paul expressed right now.

The more I think about this, the more disappointed I am.

8 posted on 06/04/2005 8:52:52 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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I don't think the Pope was concerned with people pawing through his personal papers, I think that he did not want to be made out to be anything beyond a mortal man, a servant of God. That's how I saw it, anyway.


9 posted on 06/04/2005 9:01:34 AM PDT by Eva
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To: ozarkgirl
It was kind of a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but it bodes ill for people who make wills of any kind. Technically, it doesn't set a precedent in the US court system, but for catholics, heirs could try to argue the point that the pope had his will dishonored because (fill in the blank).

In the US, I no longer trust our courts (don't know to what extent - some will) to honor anything like I once would have.

10 posted on 06/04/2005 9:13:38 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: ozarkgirl

"The right and moral thing to do would be to burn the notes. I just don't understand."

Follow the money.

I agree, the Pontiff's last wishes should be obeyed. To do any less is dishonor to his memory.

Apparently, there is no honor left among some quarters.


11 posted on 06/04/2005 9:19:57 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: Eva
I don't think the Pope was concerned with people pawing through his personal papers, I think that he did not want to be made out to be anything beyond a mortal man, a servant of God.

I would agree. He probably saw that people would deify him. He was a devoted and admirable Christian, a good example, but not to be deified. A servant, not the Master. I hope the Secretary will find it in his heart to burn the papers. It's the right thing to do.

12 posted on 06/04/2005 9:31:22 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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"These are great riches that should gradually be made available to the public [after we've had the chance to edit-out all the unsaintly-bits, of course]."

More dishonorable behavior and double-dealing by filth that won't follow the instructions of a Will. Either burn them, or have the balls to release them all at once (if even then it can be believed they weren't edited).

13 posted on 06/04/2005 9:47:04 AM PDT by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.7)
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...private secretary said Saturday he did not burn the late pontiff's notes as his will demanded, arguing that the papers contain "great riches" and should instead be preserved.

This is not his decision to make. I hope the new pontiff steps in and sees that John Paul's wishes are carried out. The Archbishop has lost a lot of the respect that I would naturally have for him.

14 posted on 06/04/2005 9:54:55 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: solitas
More dishonorable behavior and double-dealing by filth that won't follow the instructions of a Will.

Calm down, cowboy. The Archbishop says they're valuable; since he worked with JPII for nearly 40 years, we can trust that they are.

They should be preserved.

15 posted on 06/04/2005 10:00:40 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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This is not his decision to make.

He's the executor. It is his decision.

16 posted on 06/04/2005 10:02:01 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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He's the executor. It is his decision.

My mother has stated in her will that my brother and I get equal shares of her estate, however, as the executor, I think I should get it all.

17 posted on 06/04/2005 10:10:30 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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My mother has stated in her will that my brother and I get equal shares of her estate, however, as the executor, I think I should get it all.

Then your brother can sue you.

Who's going to sue to burn JPII's papers?

The Archbishop knew him well, and can be forgiven if he believes these papers should be preserved.

18 posted on 06/04/2005 10:18:51 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Sure, he could sue. It wouldn't happen because I would respect the wishes of the person who wrote the will. I would wish the Secretary (especially as a representative of the Church) to do the right and decent thing. If he respected the Pope, he would have bowed to his wishes no matter what his personal thoughts were.


19 posted on 06/04/2005 10:28:01 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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The right thing to do is to preserve the papers of a saint of the Church.


20 posted on 06/04/2005 10:32:32 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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