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"They "Served" My Lord... Like An Appetizer:" Liturgical Abuse at Villanova U.
myself | 6/2/2005 | Pyro7480

Posted on 06/02/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by Pyro7480

On 21 May 2005, I attended the bacculareate Mass at Villanova University in southeastern Pennsylvania. My sister was graduating from this school, which was founded by Augustinian priests in the mid-19th century.

The Mass took place in the early evening at the university's stadium, and other than a brief shower, the liturgy started well. A choir sang Palestrina's Tu es Petrus prior to the beginning of the Mass. I was delighted to hear that particular piece of music. However, I should have a heeded a warning of sorts that was right in front of my eyes. There was a table close to the stage were the Mass was going to be offered, and sitting on top of the table were glass chalices, which obviously were going to be used during the Mass.

The atmosphere of the Mass shifted quickly as the processional hymn began. The line-up of the ministers began in a normal fashion. At the very beginning of the procession was a graduate in academic garb carrying a censor. However, not far behind were other graduates carrying multi-colored banners. They were the oddest things I had ever seen processed in during a Mass. It wasn't clear at all what their point was. The colors used weren't Villanova's colors. In fact, they used bright pastel colors. But they didn't have much to do with the Mass itself, so it was a forgiveable error.

The banners, however, was just the beginning of events that could be described as the results of lapses in judgement. The music during the Mass itself belonged to typical post-1970's composing, so that wasn't exactly unexpected either. But when the time for the offertory came, my heart began to sink. The hosts that were to be consecrated were brought in to the stage where the altar was in large wicker baskets. It wasn't immediately clear at that point but inside the larger wicker baskets were smaller wicker baskets, lined with white cloths of some sort, which actually contained the hosts. The wine that was going to be consecrated were brought in large glass/crystal containers.

Both the hosts and the wine were left in their containers during the entire Eucharistic prayer. When time came for communion, baskets containing consecrated hosts were brought to each side of the field. The smaller wicker baskets containing the hosts were taken out of the larger baskets, and most of the distribution of the Blessed Sacrament was taken care of by lay people, most of whom were college students.

When one of them came with the basket, the rest of my family went for Communion, but I decided not to go. I prefer to receive Our Lord's Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, from the hands of a priest or deacon. Anyway, at that point, I was feeling rather offended by the manner Communion was being distributed. They were treating Our Lord as if He were an appetizer that was being served at a restaurant. When my dad sat back down next to me after receiving Communion, I told him what was wrong about what was taking place.

As the distribution was winding-down, I noticed that some of the students who were distributing Communion were committing more abuses. I saw one of them self-communicate. Some of them stacked the baskets on top of each other, and it was probably the case that on top of the clothes, there still rested small fragments of the consecrated hosts.

After the Mass concluded, my family went to a nice Italian restaurant nearby. I brought up the issue of the Mass. My mom seemed to understand why I was feeling offended. My sister on the other hand, said in response to my complaint (in a rather sarcastic manner), "I'm sorry my liturgy offended you." She couldn't understand why it was wrong to serve the Blessed Sacrament in that manner.

My final thought on this issue: If it is possible for papal Masses to accomodate hundreds of thousands of people during Communion, and do it properly, then an American institute of higher learning which has Catholic roots can afford to do take the proper steps to accomodate a few thousand during a bacculareate Mass.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; liturgicalabuse; liturgy; mass; villanova; villanovau
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To: gbcdoj
Also, most of your quote is from Vennari's comments, it is not in the book.

It was a footnote attributing his sources.

241 posted on 06/03/2005 8:14:07 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks, This particular issue is not in my boat as it were, but really interesting post.


242 posted on 06/03/2005 8:25:50 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
It doesn't change the truth.

The truth is the truth, is the truth, is the truth...

243 posted on 06/03/2005 9:29:08 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Fear no evil)
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To: vox_freedom; Canticle_of_Deborah
The truth is the truth, is the truth, is the truth...

2+2 will always equal 4.

244 posted on 06/03/2005 9:38:42 PM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I'm afraid you missed the point. Referring to the commission proves nothing; as an unofficial consultative body it can have authority only from the force of its arguments (unknown) or from the probability that the deliberations of such learned men will be correct. I find the SCDW's argument more convincing than that probability.


245 posted on 06/03/2005 9:41:55 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

I know that. All I said was that most of your quote was from Vennari and not from the book as you accidentally said it was, "this is from the same book".


246 posted on 06/03/2005 9:49:40 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: gbcdoj

In other words, you prefer to believe whoever states what you want to be true.


247 posted on 06/03/2005 10:11:54 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

That's hardly so, since if I had my way the TLM would not have been suppressed either de facto or de iure.


248 posted on 06/03/2005 10:38:03 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
At any rate, I'm sorry you don't like the sources. It doesn't change the truth. :)
249 posted on 06/03/2005 10:39:19 PM PDT by gbcdoj (Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.)
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To: gbcdoj

I'll stick with JPII's commission of 9 cardinals, including the present Pope.


250 posted on 06/03/2005 11:14:01 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Romulus; sempertrad
Because liturgy is not a time for private devotion. At Mass, we all have our proper parts, but popes have been encouraging the laity to participate actively (at the appropriate times) since long before Vatican II.

Maybe, maybe not.

The term 'actuosa participatio' REALLY means "actual" or "real" participation--and as has been argued by highly-credentialed liturgists, this begins internally, with a 'metanoia' or conversion, of oneself to a conformity with Christ.

This metanoia does not necessarily require activity, song, or verbal response.

Thus, art song which is religious and not merely a vehicle for "performance" is perfectly acceptable.

Again, context counts. One solo, done without excessive melodrama or vocal floridity, is not a violation of liturgical norms, IMHO.

251 posted on 06/04/2005 5:50:22 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: NYer

Yes--but Ratzinger specifically alludes to the "ripping of the (Temple) veil" at the death of Xt in an essay, concluding that this ripping moved worship to a "cosmic" status, rather than confined to the Temple.

IOW, the ripping symbolized the inclusion of the Gentiles in the New Covenant.


252 posted on 06/04/2005 5:53:42 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: eastsider; GipperGal

Exactly the same reason why "electronically reproduced" music is NOT EVER allowed during the Mass.


253 posted on 06/04/2005 5:56:59 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: sinkspur
It is already a reality that laymen are conducting Communion services in some mission parishes on Sundays, and during the week in many others when the priest is unavailable.

Can a layperson transubstantiate the host? AFAIK it's impossible.
254 posted on 06/04/2005 8:54:50 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Can a layperson transubstantiate the host? AFAIK it's impossible.

No. They're using previously consecrated hosts.

255 posted on 06/04/2005 9:55:47 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: ninenot; Romulus
Thanks, ninenot. You said what I had wanted to say.

Rom, its you who has been very patient and explained things in a thoughtful manner. Thanks much! :-)

I guess my question is: What distinguishes the profane from the sacred? Is it melody? Obviously, the Psalms could be profaned if you tried to 'rap' them, but I'm sure we both agree that Shubert's 'Ave' is hardly paganistic.
256 posted on 06/04/2005 10:12:42 AM PDT by sempertrad ("I'm feeling fair today; one notch below mediocre" - My Husband)
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To: eastsider

Can you define what you mean by the "personal principle" of the Church's sacramental ministry?

Forgive for saying this, but you are being rather murky in your explanation.


257 posted on 06/04/2005 10:15:02 AM PDT by Gerard.P (The lips of liberals drip with honey while their hands drip with blood--Bishop Williamson)
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To: sinkspur
It is Christ we are receiving in the Eucharist. Taking Him from an EEM doesn't lessen His Presence nor the graces one receives.

I agree. If the matter, form, intention, etc. are valid Christ is present no matter who you receive Him from. My issue is not with validity or graces. I sincerely believe that receiving Him into my unconsecrated hands, from hands also unconsecrated offends Him. I don't want to be a party to that. There is nothing in our Church history indicating that this was ever the norm, and nothing that suggests that the use of EMs has brought about deeper devotion to the Real Presense.

It is already a reality that laymen are conducting Communion services in some mission parishes on Sundays, and during the week in many others when the priest is unavailable.

Here in our country? If so, I can't help but wonder where their missions are located. Can they not travel a bit to get to a Mass? Is there no priest who can travel to bring Mass to them? Are people settling for this perhaps because its convenient? And really, how positive can the long term effects of such a situation possibly be?

Drastic times call for drastic measures, sure. But what are the requirements for becoming an EM? Obviously no one is without sin, but it seems to me a person meets the requirements simply by wanting to do the task. You asked me earlier if a priest with a "lavish lifestyle" waters down belief in the Real Presense, I said he could. But I also think his "lifestyle" is less apparent to the average Catholic than the EM who lives in the community. There's more of a chance of scandal with an EM. And as I understand it, an EM is not permitted to deny Communion to anyone. That's a risk of scandal, too. If you're an EM and a doctor whom you know provides abortions comes to you to receive, what do you do?

IIRC, in my NO parish the priest would was his fingers both before the consecration and after distribution of Communion. How come the EMs didn't do likewise? How come the faithful receiving in the hand don't do likewise? The cleansing of the fingers either means something and has a purpose, or it doesn't.
258 posted on 06/04/2005 10:47:26 AM PDT by sempertrad ("I'm feeling fair today; one notch below mediocre" - My Husband)
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To: sempertrad

Last paragraph, first sentence: "was" should be wash.


259 posted on 06/04/2005 10:51:54 AM PDT by sempertrad ("I'm feeling fair today; one notch below mediocre" - My Husband)
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To: sempertrad

The separation between 'profane' and 'sacred' lies FIRST in the text. May seem obvious, but that's the first screening.

Next we use connotation. This is a little more amorphous--but in essence, if the style of the music is closely associated with the "non-worship" world, then it's likely 'profane,' and not appropriate.

It's sort of like some other standards--if the 'average' man on the street thinks "American Idol" when hearing the music, it's profane. "Idol" isn't always the question, however--sometimes it is much more subtle. I've heard very good progressive jazz played in the Church. It's simply wrong--and the individual who did it SHOULD know better--but that's 'profane.'

Hassler's Missa Secunda's Kyrie is definitely a dance tune, but one has to listen very carefully to hear that--thus the 'average man' would not think of it as "profane."

The concept of "sacred time, sacred space, sacred language, sacred music" is very useful. In fact, the church and all that goes on inside the church should not be 'of this world.'


260 posted on 06/04/2005 10:56:52 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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