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Foreign priests want to fill a need- if Americans let them
Dallas Morning News ^ | 5/23/2005 | Joshua Benton

Posted on 05/23/2005 6:21:28 AM PDT by sinkspur

......When a young man is ordained in Igboland, it is tradition that his village collects money from its residents and buys him a car – an enormous gift in a poor nation. Priests can afford luxuries, like satellite television, that other Nigerians only dream of.

"When you are a priest, you don't lack," seminarian Tony Ezekwu said. "They have a high standard of living. People want that."

The promise of status no doubt attracts some to the priesthood. And some see seminary more as a path to an education than a way to answer a spiritual calling. Their view is summed up in the comment of young Bigard seminarian who said he was willing to be a parish priest when he's ordained in a few months, "but what I really want to be is a professor."

And while many priests come to America because they believe they can do good work, others come for more prosaic reasons. Dean Hoge, a sociology professor at the Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C., estimates that a Nigerian priest's buying power increases fivefold when he lands in America.

"What is their motivation for joining the priesthood?" he asks. "In the best and most noble case, they want to serve Jesus Christ. But maybe they also want to escape the farm. I'm sure both of those are there".................

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: africa; aliens; catholic; catholicchurch; nigeria; priests; seminarians
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1 posted on 05/23/2005 6:21:34 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur

This is the third in a multi-part series running in the Dallas Morning News.


2 posted on 05/23/2005 6:24:13 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: NYer; Salvation

Ping.


3 posted on 05/23/2005 6:26:29 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
I'm not crazy about the tone of this article. I don't think worldly reasons helping to determine a calling are anything new to vocations. Worldly reasons (wife, house, cars) are certainly considered all the time, when a young person decides not to pursue a calling. Is this writer trying to make us respect these priests a little less?

When I was growing up, if your old man was an alcoholic, it was not uncommon for you to enter the Christian Brothers (boarding) high school. Many of these boys went on to become wonderful Brothers.

And very often, the smartest son was pegged for Holy Orders, because he surely deserved the best education. If a calling is genuine, whether it is helped along by worldly concerns or not, the priest (or brother or sister) will lead a good and holy life.

4 posted on 05/23/2005 6:36:43 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: old and tired
If a calling is genuine, whether it is helped along by worldly concerns or not, the priest (or brother or sister) will lead a good and holy life.

That's certainly true. The article does, however, inject some realism into the discussion about the huge number of vocations in Africa.

5 posted on 05/23/2005 6:49:30 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: old and tired

I really can't say what their individual motives are although I know the priesthood has a lot of cachet in the Third World. We really need them here in the US, regardless if they're from India, Nigeria, Philippines or Tierra del Fuego. American guys really aren't attracted to that life as much. It really doesn't have the cachet is used to in the old days.


6 posted on 05/23/2005 7:45:37 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (Catholic school survivor and proud of it.)
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To: brooklyn dave
Comments from a sidebar in the hard copy edition of the paper that didn't make it into the web-based article:

There is a problem of acceptance. When I was growing up, we had missionaries from Ireland and France...and we were happy to receive them...then we came over here, and instead of being missionaries, we become 'imported personnel.' A priest from Ghana.

As a foreigner, you know that your voice is always somebody coming from outside. The pastor will say 'That's good in your country, but here we are in America'....Emotionally that puts you a little bit down. A priest from Argentina.

The politics in the Church here are terrible...If you are a Hispanic, you are not complete. A priest from Colombia

All American priests should go abroad for two years....They don't see the uncomfortableness, the anxiety that priests from abroad have. A priest from Australia

There are some people who ask, 'Where is our priest?' And the foreign priest is just standing right there, and it's a black guy. He says, 'Hey, I'm a priest.' But the people say, 'No, our kind.' A priest from the Phillipines.

These quotes are taken from International Priests; New Ministers in the Catholic Church in the United States, manuscript by Dean Hoge and Amedi Okore.

7 posted on 05/23/2005 7:55:30 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Hey, we Anglo-Saxons (plus Irish plus French) are supposed to be the missionaries and convert the savages into eating with a knife and fork. The religion of the Holy Roman Empire can't be just franchised abroad and then sold back to us by hungry immigrants seeking a passport. Gosh, they want our land, our jobs, our women .... now our souls!


8 posted on 05/23/2005 8:40:06 AM PDT by Wessex
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To: sinkspur
Their view is summed up in the comment of young Bigard seminarian who said he was willing to be a parish priest when he's ordained in a few months, "but what I really want to be is a professor."

"Sure, I'm a waiter now, but that's just until I get my big break in the theater."

9 posted on 05/23/2005 8:42:30 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: sinkspur

what were the other two parts?


10 posted on 05/23/2005 9:15:51 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

You were pinged to both this morning.


11 posted on 05/23/2005 9:17:53 AM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

We had a Nigerian priest. He was offended at how he was treated here. He expected to be waited on. He sang very well, knew Latin, disdainful of liberalism. He liked to play with the ladies and drive a nice car.


12 posted on 05/23/2005 7:19:22 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: sinkspur

They're coming here to take the confessions that even illegal Mexican priests won't.


13 posted on 05/23/2005 7:22:09 PM PDT by Sloth (I don't post a lot of the threads you read; I make a lot of the threads you read better.)
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To: sinkspur

OK, now give us your acct info so we can read the whole thing.


14 posted on 05/23/2005 7:42:38 PM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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15 posted on 05/23/2005 7:44:45 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: pbear8

Try "schnookered@mailinator.com" with the password as
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16 posted on 05/23/2005 7:44:47 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Thank you Sinky, saying an 'Ave' for you.


17 posted on 05/23/2005 7:51:36 PM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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To: sinkspur

I am waiting til we can out-source the jobs of politicians.


18 posted on 05/23/2005 7:53:27 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: pbear8

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19 posted on 05/23/2005 7:54:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur

Sometimes I have luck with them, sometimes I don't. FYI for the NYT you can use Member ID:annoyed Password:annoyed


20 posted on 05/23/2005 10:06:55 PM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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