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the three biggest barriers to recruiting more priests are the requirements that men remain celibate and that they "sign on for life" and the fact that women aren't allowed in the priesthood.
Dean R. Hoge, a professor of sociology at Catholic University of America in Washington

Uh ... professor .... women will NEVER be ordained to the Catholic Church. The pope has spoken infallibly on this. It is finished.

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2 posted on 05/10/2005 10:41:40 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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You know what -- something tells me that if the diocese there were to ordained "women priests" and/or "married priests", the problem of accommodating a booming Catholic community would indeed disappear. Why? Because there would no longer be a growth in Church attendance! If fact, they would probably lose more than half of their current members. I willing to venture a guess that the reason why their community is growing is that they are an orthodox diocese!
3 posted on 05/10/2005 10:48:47 AM PDT by GipperGal
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You'd think this guy would get that point, but hey, maybe he just doesn't want to see it.


4 posted on 05/10/2005 10:49:27 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI!!!!)
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Specifically, he says, the three biggest barriers to recruiting more priests are the requirements that men remain celibate and that they "sign on for life" and the fact that women aren't allowed in the priesthood. "If those were removed ... the priest shortage would be over," Hoge said. "If any one of them were removed, it would have a big impact."

What a dolt!

The reason there is a shortage of priests is because this is what people want from their church.

He is right in one thing. If priests were allowed to marry and women priests were allowed, the people would stop coming and there would be no more shortage.

6 posted on 05/10/2005 10:55:05 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Planned Parenthood is neither)
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In defense of Professor Hoge, he is a professor of SOCIOLOGY, not THEOLOGY. Thus, his perspective is that of a SOCIOLOGIST, and his conclusions may thus be quite valid (although I disagree with his conclusions on their actual sociological merits).

If also irrelevant.

As well, if I recall correctly, Professor Hoge is not a Catholic. Thus, as a non-Catholic SOCIOLOGIST, I don't believe he is under any obligation to reflect Catholic doctrine concerning women's ordination in the Catholic Church.


24 posted on 05/10/2005 11:37:03 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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Dean R. Hoge, a professor of sociology at Catholic University of America in Washington

Born in 1937.

Another oldster trying to breathe life into the stillborn AmChurch revolution. Sorry Pops, it's over.
28 posted on 05/10/2005 11:41:32 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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the three biggest barriers to recruiting more priests

Gee whiz. Dr. Hoge didn't mention the lack of prayer for vocations as a problem.

I laugh (instead of crying) when people loudly lament the vocation shortage and then seem perplexed when I suggest praying for an increase in vocations.

Didn't we have 'World Day of Prayer for Vocations' a few weeks ago? We got a rather feeble stab at it during the Prayers of the Faithful at my parish. If we want an increase in vocations ( Long hours! Lousy pay! ) I think we need to pray for it.

72 posted on 05/10/2005 12:13:07 PM PDT by siunevada
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The pope has spoken infallibly on this. It is finished.

However, transubstantiation is still open for discussion though... /sarcasm
86 posted on 05/10/2005 12:29:58 PM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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The immigration problems are not problems except to snub the American Catholics of the priests we need from overseas. Americans failed to produce families of sufficient size to offer God the clergy Jesus' Bride deserves. We must outsource Holy Orders. With social security being what it has become, sending a child to vows of celibacy will hurt the secular and not the Faithful.

The Faithful will endure on bended knee. Our Church will not marry its clergy nor ordain women. God's Spirit will provide and the message will speak of His presence. His numbers will grow in spite of hardship and maybe even because of hardship.


112 posted on 05/10/2005 1:24:20 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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Simple solution already at work. Communities that grow priests get priests. Priests don't fall like manna from the skies. They come from good orthodox praying families. If it takes a generation or two to turn it around, all the more will good priests be appreciated and all the more priests will there be. In the mean time, those families and communities that preach women priests and married priests as the solution will grow none. It's self-correcting.


217 posted on 05/10/2005 5:38:49 PM PDT by WriteOn (in a word, it's the Word.)
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the three biggest barriers to recruiting more priests are the requirements that men remain celibate and that they "sign on for life" and the fact that women aren't allowed in the priesthood.
Dean R. Hoge, a professor of sociology at Catholic University of America in Washington

Why oh why does everyone hop on this same sad bandwagon. EVERY thing 'wrong' with anything has to do with (let's face it) "sex." Or "gender." But mostly "sex."

NOT TRUE. First of all, men who are called and appointed by God don't have a problem with a lifetime commitment to The Church. Does Pope Benedict XVI have a problem? Did Pope John Paul II have a problem? Did Pope John Paul I? Did Pope Paul VI? Did Pope John XXIII? WHERE does anyone get this idea? Who is going around saying that the "problem" of the Priesthood has to do with "sex" and/or "gender?" It's certainly NOT the men I mentioned. Or thousands of others who join them gladly in a life of total commitment to Christ and His Church.

Personally, our Society has become so degraded, debauched, and debilitated that it constantly attacks the few (very few) absolutes that are presented to it. There is something fundamentally "sick" about a Society which cannot accept "NO, not now, not ever" for an answer.

264 posted on 05/10/2005 7:13:31 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Gov'ments 7 Branches: Executive,Legislative,Judicial,Bureaucracy,Lobbies,Political Parties,Media)
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The seminaries in South American, India and Africa are oveflowing. If the Bishops in the US really want more priests, then they need to do what the Bishops are doing in these other countries.


300 posted on 05/10/2005 8:14:05 PM PDT by Fred
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The pope has spoken infallibly on this.

LOL

368 posted on 05/11/2005 9:27:41 AM PDT by biblewonk (Socialism isn't all bad.)
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