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LAODICEANS [Unqualified universalism]
Midwest Conservative Journal ^ | 05/08/2005 | Christoper Johnson

Posted on 05/09/2005 10:34:48 AM PDT by newheart

At the National Cathedral a few Sundays ago, The Rev. Dr. George Regas, Rector Emeritus of All Saints Episcopal Church of Pasadena, California, corrected the Son of God:

“I am the way, and the truth and the life. No one comes to God except through me.” The first thing I want you to explore with me is this: I simply refuse to hold the doctrine that there is no access to God except through Jesus.

I personally reject the claim that Christianity has the truth and all other religions are in error. Unfortunately, this is the position of the new Pope, Benedict XVI, who says salvation is only possible through Jesus Christ. I think it is a mistaken view to say Christianity is superior to Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and Judaism and that Christ is the only way to God and salvation.

Although the majority of American Christians probably believe that salvation is possible only through faith in Jesus Christ, I find this to be a profound distortion of what Jesus was about in his ministry.

My reading of the Bible points me to a God whose love is inclusive and universal. This thought is very significant because it was this proclamation of universal love that got Jesus into trouble. The flags of exclusivism were flying all around Jesus, and he steadfastly resisted each one of these seductive invitations to belong to us only and exclude the rest. Jesus loved them all. He put his arms around everybody—and they killed him.

The Religious Right has drowned out everyone else with their absolutist claims. They have the truth and the rest of us are living under false claims. Now faith in Jesus has come to be known as pro-rich, pro-war, and pro-American. Bill Moyers says these Religious Right advocates have hijacked Jesus. The very Jesus who offered kindness and mercy to the prostitute and hospitality and love to the outcast. This Jesus has been hijacked and turned into the guardian of privilege instead of the champion of the dispossessed.

I’ve given my life to a different Jesus. The love I see at work in Jesus is inclusive, a love that reaches out to everyone. Nobody is outside the pale. And yet in the name of this loving Christ, some of the most vicious acts of exclusion are perpetrated. Christianity is not the only guilty party. So much tragedy throughout history and into this present hour has come out of those religions that find their core message in exclusivism.

Seeing the authenticity and wonder of other religions has not compromised my firm faith in Christ. The very opposite is true. God, for me, is still best defined by Christ even if God is not confined to Christ.

I don’t believe Jesus is the only truth about God so that we consign other forms of faith to the dungeons of error and heresy, but I do believe Jesus is a window through which I can look out upon God, upon the nature of the creation and upon the reality of human existence.


On one level, you have to admire Regas' audacity; Jesus couldn't possibly have meant that. But since intellectual and theological consistency has never been the hobgoblin of the Episcopal mind, I'm way past the point of getting all that angry about this sort of thing, arguing with it or quoting Revelation 3:14-18 one more time. For mindless universalism like this is what liberal Episcopalians are all about.

Regas may think he is a brave man for setting his face against the left's favorite boogieman, the "religious right." But he is the worst kind of coward. I, of course, do not agree with Jews or Muslims who think that Christianity is wrong or atheists who think all three of us are. But I at least respect them. For men like George Regas, I have only utter contempt.

But there are a few names even in Sardis; Stand Firm reports that around 250 people got up and walked out during Regas' sermon. And David Virtue recently cited a quote from Kierkegaard that brilliantly describes men like George Regas and his "church." I don't know what this is from(if you do, please let me know in the comments).

The matter is quite simple. The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend itself against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes, it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant
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Because of the quote from Kierkegaard, this post sounds familiar but I could not find anywhere that sionnsar posted it. If it is a duplicate, forgive me. Unless you haven't read it, in which case, as always enjoy Chris Johnson's willingness to speak truth to power.

I also wonder if these guys don't get 'talking points' from 815. We had a visiting bishop (Shannon Mallory) on the same Sunday and he delivered almost exactly the same homily. --newheart

1 posted on 05/09/2005 10:34:59 AM PDT by newheart
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2 posted on 05/09/2005 10:37:47 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart

"Laodiceans"? This guy isn't anywhere near lukewarm.


3 posted on 05/09/2005 10:39:19 AM PDT by newgeezer (A conservative who conserves -- a REAL capitalist.)
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To: newheart

Just in case anyone has the stomach for it, here is the link to Regas' entire text:
http://www.cathedral.org/cathedral/worship/gfr050424.html


4 posted on 05/09/2005 10:41:21 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart

Try getting there on a different road and you will find yourself in a hotter climate and out of gas for the return trip.


5 posted on 05/09/2005 10:41:31 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: newheart
At some point in the past, liberal theologians diligently read the Scriptures and came up with ingenious scholarly devices to carefully undermine confidence in the Scriptures and to refute Scriptural doctrine.

This generation of liberal theologians, unlike their forebears, do not even bother to read Scripture in the first place.

The old liberal theologian stance was: "Jesus taught that He was the only way, but in other ways He encourages compassion for the wayward. Therefore there is a conflict at the heart of the New Testament - we have to ask ourselves how to resolve this difficulty" etc., etc. Specious, but based on reading passages from the Scripture against one another.

Today it's: "Jesus hung out with lepers and stuff. He was like, totally tolerant of anything anybody ever did. So it doesn't matter what you believe. He wouldn't care."

The latter point of view is the view of someone who has never actually studied the Scriptures with any attention.

Heretics used to be extremely clever. Now they are subliterate morons.

6 posted on 05/09/2005 10:51:14 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: One Proud Dad

Right. Sionnsar's tag-line comes to mind. 'Where are we going, and whare we in this handbasket?'


7 posted on 05/09/2005 10:52:23 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart
But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers.

Maybe SOMEBODY is suffering a delusional breakdown here and wants to drag everyone into the asylum with him.

8 posted on 05/09/2005 10:58:37 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob

Not really. This is a quote from Soren Kierkegaard. It is entitled 'Kill the Commentator's' in 'Provocations'). In context it is about the dismal failure of Christendom's efforts at scholarship. Instead of letting Scripture judge us, we set ourselves up as judges of Scripture.

You can find the essay (and a free download of the e-book) here:
http://dailydig.bruderhof.org/articles/k-gaard-kill.htm?source=DailyDig


9 posted on 05/09/2005 11:05:21 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart
Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined.

For those who worship the old man, their old lives will be ruined. .. The only sacrifice required today is to sacrifice the old man. Let God regenerate and sanctify the spirit per His will.

10 posted on 05/09/2005 11:11:38 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: newheart

Jesus Christ is The Way, The Truth and The Life. This idea of setting aside the Bible and talking to God as if He doesn't know what He's talking about is blasphemous thinking. Believe on Jesus as your personal Saviour to be saved. Deviate and be deluded.


11 posted on 05/09/2005 11:16:01 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: newheart

Kill the Commentators!

Soren Kierkegaard

Excerpted from Provocations, available FREE in e-book format.

Today’s mass of Bible interpreters have damaged, more than they have helped, our understanding of the Bible. In reading the scholars it has become necessary to do as one does at a play where a profusion of spectators and spotlights prevent, as it were, our enjoyment of the play itself and instead we are treated to little incidents. To see the play, one has to overlook them, if possible, or enter by a way that has not yet been blocked. The commentator has indeed become a most hazardous meddler.

“Christian scholarship is the Church’s favorite defense against the Bible. It ensures that we can continue to be good Christians without the Truth coming too close.”

S. K.

If you wish to understand the Bible, then be sure to read it without a commentary. Think of two lovers. The lover writes a letter to the beloved. Is the beloved concerned about what others think of it? Will he not read it all alone? In other words, would it ever occur to him to read this letter with a commentary! If the letter from the lover were in a language he did not understand – well, then he would learn the language – but he would certainly not read the letter with the aid of commentaries. They are of no use. The love for his beloved and his readiness to comply with her desires, makes him more than able to understand her letter. It is the same with the Scriptures. With God’s help we can understand the Bible all right. Every commentary detracts, and he who sits with ten open commentaries and reads the Scriptures – well he is probably writing the eleventh. He is certainly not dealing with the Scriptures.

Suppose now that this letter from the lover has the unique attribute that every human being is the beloved – what then? Should we now sit and confer with one another? No, each of us should read this letter solely as an individual, as a single individual who has received this letter from God. In reading it, we will be concerned foremost with ourselves and with our relation-ship to him. We will not focus on the beloved’s letter, that this passage, for example, may be interpreted in this way, and that passage in that way – oh, no, the important thing to us will be to act as soon as possible.


Isn’t it something to be the beloved, and doesn’t this give us something that no commentator has? Think about it. Aren’t we each the best interpreter of our own words? And then next the lover, and in relation to God, the true believer? Lest we forget, the Scriptures are but highway signs: Christ, the beloved, is the way. Kill the commentators!

Of course, the commentators are not the only ones at fault. God wants to force each one of us out again into the essential, back to a childlike beginning. But being naked before God in this way, this we do not want at all. We all prefer the commentaries. So with each passing generation we grow more and more spiritless.

What we really need, then, is a reformation that sets even the Bible aside. Yes, this has just as much validity now as did Luther’s breaking with the Pope. The current emphasis on get-ting back to the Bible has, sadly, created religiosity out of learning and literalistic chicanery – a sheer diversion. Tragically this kind of knowledge has gradually trickled down to the masses so that no one can read the Bible simply any more. All our Bible learning has become nothing but a fortress of excuses and escapes. When it comes to existence, to obedience there is always something else we have to first take care of. We live under the illusion that we must first have the interpretation right or the belief in perfect form before we can begin to live – that is, we never get around to doing what the Word says.

The Church has long needed a prophet who in fear and trembling had the courage to forbid people to read the Bible. I am tempted, therefore, to make the following proposal. Let us collect all the Bibles and bring them out to an open place or up on a mountain and then, while we all kneel, let someone talk to God in this manner: Take this book back again. We Christians, such as we are, are not fit to involve ourselves with such a thing; it only makes us proud and unhappy. We are not ready for it. In other words, I suggest that we, like those inhabitants whose herd of pigs plunged into the water and died, beg Christ “to leave the neighborhood” (Mt. 8:34). This would at least be honest talk – something very different from the nauseating, hypocritical, scholarship that is so prevalent today.

The matter is quite simple. The Bible is very easy to understand. But we Christians are a bunch of scheming swindlers. We pretend to be unable to understand it because we know very well that the minute we understand we are obliged to act accordingly. Take any words in the New Testament and forget everything except pledging yourself to act accordingly. My God, you will say, if I do that my whole life will be ruined. How would I ever get on in the world?

Herein lies the real place of Christian scholarship. Christian scholarship is the Church’s prodigious invention to defend it-self against the Bible, to ensure that we can continue to be good Christians without the Bible coming too close. Oh, priceless scholarship, what would we do without you? Dreadful it is to fall into the hands of the living God. Yes, it is even dreadful to be alone with the New Testament.

I open the New Testament and read: “If you want to be perfect, then sell all your goods and give to the poor and come follow me.” Good God, if we were to actually do this, all the capitalists, the officeholders, and the entrepreneurs, the whole society in fact, would be almost beggars! We would be sunk if it were not for Christian scholarship! Praise be to everyone who works to consolidate the reputation of Christian scholarship, which helps to restrain the New Testament, this confounded book which would one, two, three, run us all down if it got loose (that is, if Christian scholarship did not restrain it).

In vain does the Bible command with authority. In vain does it admonish and implore. We do not hear it – that is, we hear its voice only through the interference of Christian scholarship, the experts who have been properly trained. Just as a foreigner protests his rights in a foreign language and passionately dares to say bold words when facing state authorities – but see, the interpreter who is to translate it to the authorities does not dare do so but substitutes something else – just so the Bible sounds forth through Christian scholarship.

We declare that Christian scholarship exists specifically to help us understand the New Testament, in order that we may better hear its voice. No insane man, no prisoner of the state, was ever so confined. As far as they are concerned, no one denies that they are locked up, but the precautions regarding the New Testament are even greater. We lock it up but argue that we are doing the opposite, that we are busily engaged in helping it gain clarity and control. But then, of course, no insane person, no prisoner of the state, would ever be as dangerous to us as the New Testament would be if it were set free.

It is true that we Protestants go to great efforts so that every person can have the Bible – even in their own tongue. Ah, but what efforts we take to impress upon everyone that it can be understood only through Christian scholarship! This is our current situation. What I have tried to show here is easily stated: I have wanted to make people aware and to admit that I find the New Testament very easy to understand, but thus far I have found it tremendously difficult to act literally upon what it so plainly says. I perhaps could take another direction and invent a new kind of scholarship, bringing forth yet one more commentary, but I am much more satisfied with what I have done – made a confession about myself.

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| Soren Kierkegaard


12 posted on 05/09/2005 11:32:09 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: newheart

This is a pretty good example of heresy. Some heretics say there is no God, others that Jesus was not God, others say that there are not 3 Persons in the Blessed Trinity. There is really no end to the ways you can get it wrong when you reject the Truth.

We have natural reason and the observable universe around us. By those things we are responsible for our choice to recognize the existence of God. But we also have free will. By that, we can choose to deny the existence of God. But we are responsible for that choice.

Here a "Christian" who really ought to know better, rejects Divine Revelation, which, by the way, no mortal can arrive at by his own power, since it is God that revealed it. We would not know that there is no other name by which a man can be saved if God had not explained it. But He did. Now it's our turn.

It is up to the Rev. Dr. George Regas, Rector Emeritus of All Saints Episcopal Church of Pasadena, California, to step down off his pseudo high-horse and acknowledge his utter dependence upon Divine Revelation. If he does not do so before he breathes his last, he will have taken in a lie in exchange for the Truth, Who is blessed forever. Amen.


13 posted on 05/09/2005 11:51:21 AM PDT by donbosco74
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To: newheart

Liberals deny that Jesus really meant it when he said he was the only way to the Father. Why should that bother them? I though Heaven and Hell didnt exist?

Anyway didnt Dante have a special "nice" place in the underworld for good people who were not christian?


14 posted on 05/09/2005 3:54:47 PM PDT by stan_sipple
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To: donbosco74
This is a pretty good example of heresy.

Oh, I think you are being way to nice here. ;-)
15 posted on 05/09/2005 4:17:04 PM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: newheart
I personally reject the claim that Christianity has the truth and all other religions are in error.

It isn't really about what religions have the truth and which are in error. We Christians have LOTS of error, after all, some (like this revisionist) more than others.

It's about how God went about saving a fallen world!!!! Her sent his own Son, who became man. was crucified and died, rose again, and ascended back to the Father. In Christ, we not only have forgiveness of sins, but also our very humanity is united with God!!! That is salvation, and of course there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. How can there be?

As for the question as to whether good people outside the Church can be saved, the orthodox have always left that in God's hands. If anyone is saved, they are saved through Christ, NOT through Quran or Buddha, and definitely not through Wiccan. Nor are they saved because some revisionist says that "there are many paths to God", which is false and presumptious.

Although we leave the question of the salvation of the world to God, we, as Christ commanded, must go out and make disciples and baptize. And even when people are saved through our evangelism, it is God's Spirit who does the saving, not us.

16 posted on 05/09/2005 8:05:23 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Hristos voskrese!)
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To: newheart

bttt


17 posted on 05/09/2005 8:26:20 PM PDT by aberaussie
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To: newheart
Her sent his own Son...

This typo, of course, shoud read He!!!! I'm neither going feminazi, nor do I use such bad grammar, but my typing leaves a lot to be desired.

18 posted on 05/09/2005 8:32:10 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Hristos voskrese!)
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