Posted on 05/04/2005 9:19:47 AM PDT by ksen
I'd get a lot less grief if people realized that about me sometimes. ;-)
Interesting response, Kevon. Leanne Payne (Wheaton/ PCM Conferences) speaks of Psychology as a secular religion. "There are high priests, there is secret knowledge that only they know, there are rules that are not to be broken, there is dogma." Having spent time working towards a MA in Psych, I have to agree with you, and her.
Guess I would have to say to that-follow the Bible,not Calvin. Only the Bible can give direction to those needing it. God's perfect design for marriage is one man for one woman for a lifetime. I believe if God's principles are followed this will happen and happily so. Only the Bible and God, not Calvin, can help a marriage.
I have been to a psychiatrist as well as a psychologist. I don't recommend either. Psychiatry is a religion all its own-at least to most that practice it.
I wish these threads wouldn't degenerate so fast (or if they did, they were at least funnier).
There is a general view, both in and out of church, that people "deserve" happiness and that interior "feelings" are our best and truest guide. I've completely given up on this theory.
Happiness on earth is a combination of the luck, hard work and common sense. Happiness is not particularly a function of salvation. If we strive to eradicate sin in ourselves and to worship God and to minister to our neighbors we may or may not "feel" better about ourselves but we're doing the right things.
Scripture really tells us all we need to know about our behavior (whether we like it or not). Scripture is less forthright about how we are suppose to "feel" at any given time. Popular psychology seems to emphasize these feelings over behavior. To me, it's a cart-before-the-horse type thing.
I am to infer from you post that you are a christian, serious in seeking your right place in Christ? Also what school are you going to? Keep track of the presups that you encounter. Some of them in psych are so ingrained that they do not even see where they lead.
my mistake I made an assumption that you were not happy with the typology you got.
Yes indeed. The truth is certainly powerful. From my point of view, we never "conversed" at all. Stormhands asked a supposed rhetorical question and I gave a sincere answer to which he took offense and also revealed the ingenuine nature of his intentions to ksen. What I pointed out was that this is typical behavior for him as it is for others on this forum.
Stormhands, you get your wish...point made, subject dropped.
That being said, I would love to see the empirical data that lead to the suspicion that many Christian Psychologists are "mainline" Calvinists. That Calvin College has a psychology department is hardly relevant, particularly since Calvin College has become a lot more liberal over the years.
I would love to see you take the Religion Moderator's admonitions seriously by seeing you refrain from the type of divisive, generalized, thread jumping posts like the one I responded to.
Have a nice day, Marlowe...and the last word if you wish.
Yes, I am a strong, fiery Christian. No longer pursuing Psychology. Greetings.
Ooooh...that'll cost you a tenth for "failure to recognize irony"...
Stormhands, you get your wish...point made, subject dropped.
...and another tenth for "passive-aggressive play."
Good attempt at getting the last word, however, although it may be far too soon for that gambit to work. =]
ROFL. That means I'm batting .800 I'll take it!
LOL. Good call!
I'm not trying to suggest that this simplistic progression is trivial to overcome. On the contrary, I see it as insidious, pervasive, and akin to the "strongholds" mentioned in 2Cor. 10:4. I'd be pleased to hear anyone's perspective on these thoughts...thanks!
You see, we've tried to follow just the Bible for six years. I steadfastly refused counselling, for the same reasons you mention: it isn't biblical, it's psychobabble, etc. I still believe a lot of this, but desparately want to have a happy marriage. I am tired of going through life angry at other couples who have what I so desperately want, and will do anything now to get that. I don't have the wisdom, or tenderness, or insight, or something.
When a wife rejects the scripture that her body is not her own but belongs to her husband (as likewise his belongs to her), what can a man do?
but When a wife rejects the scripture
This problem is sin and the sin needs to be addressed and repented of so that the counseling can provide the tools to change the habits the sin has put in place.
That's a mouthful, but a thoughtful analysis: a soft and penitent heart, submissive to the Scripture, provides the foundation requisite to real change.
You are a wise person.
I do apologize for thinking that only the fringe or extreme Calvinists would be wholesale opposed to the idea of Christian Psychology. And I was unaware of the apostacy of Calvin College from the mainstream of Calvinist thought.
I guess I'll just have to assume that being opposed to Christian Psychology is part and parcel of being a mainstream Calvinist. Must be in the institutes someplace, eh?
Boy, I couldn't disagree with you more. Scripture is filled with assurances that God takes care of His flock.
"Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen." -- Hebrews 13:20-21.
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