This is a revelation to you? It is a given. I have never claimed otherwise, and in fact, have clearly stated it several times.
No kidding. And, they are to be debated. So back to my original message, you are merely a rock thrower who makes absolute statements against others and provides nothing to support your own opinions. I've seen it in other threads too, not just here.
Let the lurkers beware...and, thanks for finally validating my original observation.