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Harry Potter and the Paganization of Children's Culture
Catholic Culture ^ | April, 2001 | Michael D. O'Brien

Posted on 03/10/2005 9:55:31 PM PST by Coleus

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To: js1138
We certainly wouldn't want anyone to teach children that demons are fantasy.

Well, I wouldn't teach a child that demons are fantasy because it would be false, but I can't stop you from teaching whatever you want to your child.

61 posted on 03/11/2005 9:47:01 AM PST by murphE (Each of the SSPX priests seems like a single facet on the gem that is the alter Christus. -Gerard. P)
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To: Fenris6
Good article. I'm a fan of Potter, and with 12 yrs experience in Dragons [the game]. Also a fan of Lewis.
Are you saying you're a gamer geek? You truly are dwelling in the dark side then. LOL!
62 posted on 03/11/2005 9:48:16 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: exnavychick

Anyon who takes the trouble to read harry Potter knows that he is undergoing an apprentiship. Yes, he defies authority, misbehaves like a typical kid, ignores the advice of adults he should trust -- and in each instance this leads to trouble.

Most recently, his disrespect for authority resulted in the death of his Godfather, the very person he was trying to save. Hasn't anyone noticed this?

The movies can't show this as well as the books, but there is a rather effective scene in the second movie, in which Harry denies having anything important to say to Dumbledore. Minutes later (movie time) he hears Voldemorte (Riddle) do the same thing.

The point is to show a normal kid doing normal things, and hopefully learning from the consequenses, not to show a flawless superhero.


63 posted on 03/11/2005 9:48:19 AM PST by js1138
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To: JenB
I do deny that our souls can be harmed just by reading Harry Potter. If reading HP causes you to turn to Wicca, you weren't a Christian in the first place.

From this statement it appears that you believe "once saved always saved" which is not Catholic belief, and that is where we differ.

64 posted on 03/11/2005 9:50:49 AM PST by murphE (Each of the SSPX priests seems like a single facet on the gem that is the alter Christus. -Gerard. P)
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To: kjvail
For the D&Ders I have a question.... do any of you online play? Specifically Neverwinter Nights? This is the closest I get to actual play, since I can't get a baby sitter to go with my gamer husband. Plus, he thinks his friends are too offensive for me to be around on a regular basis. LOL!
Actually, I have a whole fantasy world that I really wanted to make a game out of, but I am not good at the technical aspect of D&D.
65 posted on 03/11/2005 9:51:03 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: Corin Stormhands

One thing I like about Harry Potter is that sometimes things aren't what they seem like. How often does that happen in reality? Actually, quite often.


66 posted on 03/11/2005 9:53:54 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: murphE
But, since you mentioned it Sinkspur do you believe that demons exist, do you believe that roam the world seeking the ruin of souls? Since you stated that you believe hell may be empty I can understand why you reject the notion that reading books that romanticize the occult are harmless.

I do believe that demons exist. I never said hell is empty, because demons reside there.

But, like Pope John Paul II, I pray and hope that hell is empty.

Harry Potter does not romanticize the occult. That's just church lady talk.

67 posted on 03/11/2005 9:53:55 AM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: murphE

I'm curious what you believe about demons, whether they have physical bodies, or whether they exist as evil influences in the mind. Some hard nosed materialists believe in memes, or ideas that have some of the properties of living entities. But not physical bodies.


68 posted on 03/11/2005 9:55:18 AM PST by js1138
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To: murphE

"Once saved always saved" is a slur on the actual belief, which I see as "if the things of this world are more to you than Christ, you were never of Christ". The only reason one would refer to it as "once saved always saved" is if he wants to imply that those of us who believe in eternal security are out merrily sinning with the expectation that God forgives us anyway.... someone with that sort of attitude, is most likely not saved....

I could say the same thing about anything. If watching football causes you to reject Christ, in some way, you weren't Christ's to begin with. If debating politics causes you to 'lose' your faith, you never had faith in the first place.


69 posted on 03/11/2005 9:56:31 AM PST by JenB
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To: murphE

Speaking of church ladies.... I think one of my favorite conversations to overhear in my church were two older ladies talking to each other. One asking the other if she got to see the new Harry Potter movie with her grandchild. I never thought I would hear someone talking so excitedly about it. It was so cute.


70 posted on 03/11/2005 9:56:58 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: sinkspur

"But, I'm not at all surprised that you see something nefarious behind Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck."

And I'm not surprised to see you dishonestly misrepresenting my position...again...and again, and again.

Not surprised at all. As a matter of fact, if someone had asked me, "Who on FR is most likely to try and twist an assertion of unintended effects into a conspiracy theory," your handle would have been the first that leapt to mind.

Still, the birthday I've had today just wouldn't have been complete without being slimed by you. I've been dealing since I got up with unreason, lack of consideration, dishonesty, two-faced hypocrisy, racism, rudeness, and garden-variety stupidity.

You're just the maraschino on top.


71 posted on 03/11/2005 10:05:47 AM PST by dsc
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To: HungarianGypsy
No, I didn't like Neverwinter Nights.

If you want to simulate the table top environment over the internet I would recommend WebRPG . Of course you have to make your own group :).

72 posted on 03/11/2005 10:07:05 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: JenB

We have to be careful of the sin of presumption, man's reason is overturned by original sin. Sorting thru what is good and evil is not that simple for us.


73 posted on 03/11/2005 10:08:33 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: sinkspur

"Harry Potter does not romanticize the occult."

Yeah, and Eric Clapton doesn't play the guitar.


74 posted on 03/11/2005 10:08:43 AM PST by dsc
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To: kjvail

"We have to be careful of the sin of presumption, man's reason is overturned by original sin. Sorting thru what is good and evil is not that simple for us."

Bears repeating.

Satan was an angel. He is a supernatural being. We can't outwit him, or even escape him without God's help.


75 posted on 03/11/2005 10:10:46 AM PST by dsc
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To: biblewonk
Buffy is paganizing a lot more people, but I still love the series.

AHHHHH! Don't get me started on Buffy. Buffy is filled with all those things that a good Catholic like me isn't supposed to believe in, like vampires, demons, witches and lesbians.

TS

76 posted on 03/11/2005 10:13:23 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Anyone going to Lunacon, March 18-20, 2005 in NJ?)
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To: kjvail

Cool! How is it for a practical beginner? I'm just sick of my husband having the fun, then asking, "Why don't you get into role playing more?" Hello!! I can't get into something that I don't get to play.


77 posted on 03/11/2005 10:15:27 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: dsc
Satan was an angel. He is a supernatural being. We can't outwit him, or even escape him without God's help

It seems most here have fallen into the arrogant presumption that is just the opposite. I guess it goes hand in hand with nonsense such as private interpetation and moral relativism.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing men he didn't exist" Lewis' The Screwtape Letters should be required reading for every soul.

78 posted on 03/11/2005 10:16:34 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: HungarianGypsy

It's just an interface for pen and paper D&D, it costs now so I haven't looked at in a couple of years. Once upon a time it was pretty decent. It was basically an IRC client with a lot of bells and whistles like sounds, dice macros, minitures and maps. The biggest problem I had with it was it was somewhat unstable. I would hope that two years later they would have fixed that :).


79 posted on 03/11/2005 10:19:16 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: dsc

Satan has no power over those who are God's people, unless He gives that power to Satan - see Job. Satan is not omnipresent, or omnipotent. I think our own sinfulness is more of a danger to us than Satan's power.

And reading Harry Poter is not going to open a doorway in your soul and let the demons in. Sorry, it's just not.


80 posted on 03/11/2005 10:22:56 AM PST by JenB
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