Posted on 03/07/2005 7:39:29 AM PST by NYer
"Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involving a grave lack of respect for human dignity,(15) does nothing to alter this inadequacy."
CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING PROPOSALS TO GIVE LEGAL RECOGNITION TO UNIONS BETWEEN HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS
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What a wonderful testimony! I know that the Nat'l Ass'n for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (http://www.narth.org) has done much research in counseling gays and in leading them charitably out of the gay "lifestyle."
104. A particular problem that can appear during the process of sexual maturation is homosexuality, which is also spreading more and more in urbanized societies. This phenomenon must be presented with balanced judgement, in the light of the documents of the Church. Young people need to be helped to distinguish between the concepts of what is normal and abnormal, between subjective guilt and objective disorder, avoiding what would arouse hostility. On the other hand, the structural and complementary orientation of sexuality must be well clarified in relation to marriage, procreation and Christian chastity. "Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained". A distinction must be made between a tendency that can be innate and acts of homosexuality that "are intrinsically disordered" and contrary to Natural Law.Especially when the practice of homosexual acts has not become a habit, many cases can benefit from appropriate therapy. In any case, persons in this situation must be accepted with respect, dignity and delicacy, and all forms of unjust discrimination must be avoided. If parents notice the appearance of this tendency or of related behaviour in their children, during childhood or adolescence, they should seek help from expert qualified persons in order to obtain all possible assistance.
For most homosexual persons, this condition constitutes a trial. "They must be accepted with respect, compassion and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition". "Homosexual persons are called to chastity".
VIII At the present time there are those who, basing themselves on observations in the psychological order, have begun to judge indulgently, and even to excuse completely, homosexual relations between certain people. This they do in opposition to the constant teaching of the Magisterium and to the moral sense of the Christian people.A distinction is drawn, and it seems with some reason, between homosexuals whose tendency comes from a false education, from a lack of normal sexual development, from habit, from bad example, or from other similar causes, and is transitory or at least not incurable; and homosexuals who are definitively such because of some kind of innate instinct or a pathological constitution judged to be incurable.
In regard to this second category of subjects, some people conclude that their tendency is so natural that it justifies in their case homosexual relations within a sincere communion of life and love analogous to marriage, in so far as such homosexuals feel incapable of enduring a solitary life.
In the pastoral field, these homosexuals must certainly be treated with understanding and sustained in the hope of overcoming their personal difficulties and their inability to fit into society. Their culpability will be judged with prudence. But no pastoral method can be employed which would give moral justification to these acts on the grounds that they would be consonant with the condition of such people. For according to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God. This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.
10. It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the Church's pastors wherever it occurs. It reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.
11. It has been argued that the homosexual orientation in certain cases is not the result of deliberate choice; and so the homosexual person would then have no choice but to behave in a homosexual fashion. Lacking freedom, such a person, even if engaged in homosexual activity, would not be culpable.
Here, the Church's wise moral tradition is necessary since it warns against generalizations in judging individual cases. In fact, circumstances may exist, or may have existed in the past, which would reduce or remove the culpability of the individual in a given instance; or other circumstances may increase it. What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behaviour of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well. As in every conversion from evil, the abandonment of homosexual activity will require a profound collaboration of the individual with God's liberating grace.
II. Applications10. "Sexual orientation" does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. "Letter," No. 3) and evokes moral concern.
11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
13. Including "homosexual orientation" among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. No. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person's homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.
4. There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God's plan for marriage and family. Marriage is holy, while homosexual acts go against the natural moral law. Homosexual acts close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.7. Homosexual unions are totally lacking in the biological and anthropological elements of marriage and family which would be the basis, on the level of reason, for granting them legal recognition. Such unions are not able to contribute in a proper way to the procreation and survival of the human race. The possibility of using recently discovered methods of artificial reproduction, beyond involv- ing a grave lack of respect for human dignity, does nothing to alter this inadequacy.
Homosexual unions are also totally lacking in the conjugal dimension, which represents the human and ordered form of sexuality. Sexual relations are human when and insofar as they express and promote the mutual assistance of the sexes in marriage and are open to the transmission of new life.
As experience has shown, the absence of sexual complementarity in these unions creates obstacles in the normal development of children who would be placed in the care of such persons. They would be deprived of the experience of either fatherhood or motherhood. Allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children, in the sense that their condition of dependency would be used to place them in an environment that is not conducive to their full human development. This is gravely immoral and in open contradiction to the principle, recognized also in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, that the best interests of the child, as the weaker and more vulnerable party, are to be the paramount consideration in every case.
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This is an excellent resource for those who have to deal with liberals, in the CAtholic sense and the poltitical sense.
I struggle with this issue, and Id like some help in my thinking.
I fervently believe that homosexuality is a behavioral disorder, and that people who commit homosexual acts are committing a grave sin. However, adultery (including re-marriage after divorce) carries the same scriptural penalty as homosexuality (Death by stoning). This tells me that the sins of divorce and remarriage are on par with that homosexuality. I see far more damage to families from divorce and remarriage than from a homosexual marriage.
Are the people who are fighting secular homosexual marriage opposed to re-marriage after divorce? Should we prevent the state from allowing this as well?
My belief is that marriage is a religious sacrament. The state should not be involved in a religious marriage. We need to separate the covenantal aspects of this gift with the secular ones. Give to Caesar what is Caesars
As much as I hate the sin of homosexuality, I dont want the state to interfere with religion. Using the state to promote a religious view is the wrong approach.
From a secular (government) perspective, why should I oppose homosexual marriage?
Yes, you are for the most part correct.
Im not sure that a 135 year old British example is valid reason to overturn divorce laws today. Besides, the King is the head of the Church of England. Secular marriage and divorce laws are designed to protect the spouse and children financially. What would be the secular reason to prevent divorce?
I thought the Mary Gallagher reasons were rather weak From there it is a short hop to polygamy.
Some things really are fundamentals of our civilization.
We don't permit states to "experiment"
In the United Sates of America, marriage means something: the union of husband and wife who can give to their children a mother and a father. More opinion than reason.
May I suggest your question is flawed in presupposition?
I would suggest the divorce laws are now not strictly 'secular' -they are morally based (albeit a morality in the same vein as the morally relative and morally corrupt liberals' "social justice" type of morality)...
Before no-fault divorce, divorce was a breach of contract... Legally and secularly the 'morality' that gives supposed legality to no-fault divorce should be dumped... The question actually should be "What would be the secular reason be to allow no-fault divorce?"
Let me also add that this has nothing do do with a required prohibition on homosexual 'unions'...
Q. "What would be the secular reason be to allow no-fault divorce?"
A. Because we can. Secular law can be anything at all. We can ban alcohol because of all the bad things alcohol abuse does to people and families. We can un-ban it because of all the bad things the ban does to society. If a secular law can be created to begin a marriage, the same law can end it. There is no secular marriage covenant that is sacramental. A Catholic family life has benefits in this world and the next. My point is that this is my faith the government cannot make it happen. Government cannot legislate morality. Even though they are doing their best to legislate immorality, does this matter? I follow my faith regardless of what the government says I can do.
Certain laws are morally based, but they could be defined as crimes against life, such as murder (except, regrettably for those in the womb) and assault; or crimes against property such as theft, and not have morality involved at all.
Let me also add that this has nothing to do with a required prohibition on homosexual 'unions'
I was using it as analogy, in that the sins of adultery, divorce and remarriage are on par with that homosexuality. Many on the religious right simply like adultery more than homosexuality. But why a required secular ban on homosexual unions? Homosexuality wont get you salvation, but we know everyone wont get there anyway.
I think you are missing my point, and I dont want to go off on a tangent of British law. I firmly believe that children raised by a mother and father in a Christian family setting is the ideal. I also believe that television is harmful (except for basketball and football!), that you should exercise at least 20 minutes a day, that you should eliminate flour and sugar from your diet, that you should send your children to a Catholic school, that you should pray the Rosary daily with the family, that you should brush and floss, etc. All of these things are good. Should we make them mandatory? I agree with everything that Maggie Gallagher says. But I still feel these are opinions, and anecdotal evidence is not a reason. Even if we had proof that something eg, alcohol, can lead to bad consequences, should we ban it?
Marriage is justified by the human condition: the societal need for procreation and stability.
Secular marriage and divorce laws are designed to protect the spouse and children financially. People always have and will pro-create regardless of marital status. It may not be stable, but with 50% divorce rates, I suggest we are far from stable.
If marriage did not exist as an institution, would there be a need for a registry of same-sex couples, conferring a special legal status and contract, and the provision of benefits?
This comes back to my basic question. There is the sacramental marriage, and the secular marriage. I think we should keep them separate. I could actually see some secular advantage in some sort of marriage for homosexuals it would allow me to eliminate domestic partner benefits.
I disagree (you know that your statement is a liberal talking point based in the false premise of separation of Church and state etcetra). The Government legislates morality all the time -always has and always will... The Government is not some innocuous entity that must reject moral and or religious opinion (where is that written?).
-the Government is of the people and it will legislate whatever the people can get legislated. As a Catholic I have and will vote as my well informed conscience dictates.
I think you missed my point -specifically, why is it that in the case of divorce a party can breech a contract without penalty or proof of hardship required? Even in bankruptcy an inability to pay and hardship etcetera must be proven in court?
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