A "slam-dunk" beatification for the last of the Fatima visionaries

National Catholic Reporter ^ | 2/18/2005 | John L. Allen

[Jaded]

Question 38- Sr. Lucia and Consecration cover up

Yipes! Talking to myself again.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Sister Lucia can be trusted. Cardinal Bertone cannot.

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Sister Lucy stated in September 1985 in "Sol de Fatima" magazine that the consecration of Russia still had not been done because, yet again, Russia was not the object of the consecration and the world's bishops did not participate.

On July 20, 1987, Sr. Lucy confirmed to journalist Enrico Romero that the consecration of Russia had not been done.

In July 1989, Fr. Messias Coelho revealed at the Hotel Solar da Marta in Fatima in the presence of three witnesses that Sr. Lucy had just received an anonymous instruction from unidentified persons in the Vatican stating she must now say the Consecration of Russia has been performed.

From that time forward, all alleged communication from Sister Lucy has been released via Cardinal Bertone.

[NYer]

Unless it was in Feel-a-vision!

Lent 2004

Don't know where you get your facts and have asked for a link to be posted to your source material but nothing has materialized ... yet.

Judging from this photograph, Sr. Lucia is wearing glasses and looking directly at Mel Gibson. Pretty good trick, considering she was blind, if what you say is true. If one is blind, why would they wear eyeglasses?

[Dominick]

CDF published her own words. Look at the link.

CDF on Fatima

The other two statements were made as hearsay.

Wouldn't this require the complicity of the Pope as well, and given his devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, would he not fulfill Lucia's wishes? If Lucia did not say this, would the Pope act?

Obviously, if this was not done, and was not accepted by Our Lady, the Pope would act again.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

The Pope can't even walk on his own. In 1984 he couldn't get all the bishops to do the world consecration. It would be impossible if he tried again today, both physically and pastorally.

Here is a direct quote from him in 1984 after he consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart -

"Enlighten especially the peoples of which You Yourself are awaiting our consecration and confiding." Pope John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano, March 26, 1984

[Dominick]

That is correct, all the Bishops did not cooperate. This did not invalidate the consecration. My point is that if he heard from Sr. Lucia that the consecration did not take place, and it he even suspected she had those sentiments, do you think he would not act? I think she said what she said, and that the consecrations were acceptable to God, despite the articles. They are all hear say.

Today, I ready about the gift that the holy father considered his infirmities to be. Are you saying he can't do his job?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

That picture has already been debunked. It is absolutely ridiculous. Compare it with the other photos of Sister Lucia. That woman is about 20 years younger and heavier with a more fully shaped face. Her coloring is different. Her fingers are perfectly straight. Sister Lucia's fingers were crooked and bent, probably due to arthritis. Look at her in the casket photo and compare.

Ridiculous.

If you look at the link I have already posted you will find the source of the facts.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

The consecration requires all the bishops of the world to participate with Russia mentioned specifically. Pius XII obtained a partial consecration (ending WWII) but did not fulfill the request because it was not performed in union with all the bishops. JPII himself acknowledged that his consecration was not complete and that he did not consecrate Russia as should be done. Sister Lucia maintained it was not done until 1989 when she was no longer allowed to speak publicly.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I just told you Sister Lucia's "words" are filtered through the Vatican apparatus and therefore are suspect. Now you want me to regard the same system as a trustworthy source?

At this point the secular media has more credibility than the Curia.

[Dominick]

Sister Lucia maintained it was not done until 1989 when she was no longer allowed to speak publicly.

I have posted her direct statement that it was acceptable to the Blessed Mother. That is exactly the point, there were no other statements after that. She had plenty of opportunities to make contrary statements, clearly, without the use of hearsay.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I have posted her direct statement that it was acceptable to the Blessed Mother.

No, you posted the Vatican's statement attributed to Sister Lucia. She has not spoken publicly since 1989.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Look at the fingers.

[Dominick]

There is no way to misinterpret this:

(“Sim, està feita, tal como Nossa Senhora a pediu, desde o dia 25 de Março de 1984”: “Yes it has been done just as Our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984”: Letter of 8 November 1989).

The only way this could be wrong is if this was a fabricated quote.

Do you think she read the CDF declaration? Would she have appealed until she got to the Pope? How many lives would be in the balance if she stayed silent and participated in the purported lie?

Perhaps this is exactly why she didn't communicate after this. The Church closed the matter, upon the testimony of the only person who can say with certainty that the Blessed Mother accepted the Consecration. The Pope himself could easily have confirmed it. You think the Pope would defy our Lady?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I have said this to you repeatedly. The POPE HIMSELF stated the consecration had not been done. Why? Because it can't be done. The Church is in de facto schism. The bishops won't participate. He knew it in 1984. I provided the direct quote above.

The letters from Sister Lucia from 1989 onward are forgeries. First, she didn't know how to type and several of them were typewritten. Second, those with handwriting have been analyzed and found not to match that on decades of previous letters.

[NYer]

You think the Pope would defy our Lady?

According to COD .... yes! Conspiracy theories prevail.

Debbie .... what's wrong with her fingers?

[Land of the Irish]

I don't know what to make of some of you when the good Sister Lucia, who worked with the Vatican, is said to have been deceived, when she published her statement.

Who was her publisher? Random House or Empty House?

How many other cloistered nuns have publishers?

[thor76]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1342459/posts

This is the SECOND TIME that someone has had to post this link to you regarding your question.

[thor76]

She was under a Vatican order of silence, which JPII allowed.

If she said anything at all, it was at the behest oif hte Vatican, and through them only was it released....if at all.

.......making it all very suspect.

[thor76]

Thank you for posting that picture........you have picked up on a critical element.