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Unclothed Christ draws protest
Stuff ^ | February 16, 2005 | Louise Bleakly

Posted on 02/17/2005 7:41:15 PM PST by NYer

Bold naked images of Jesus in new relief sculptures installed in Christchurch's Catholic Cathedral have attracted angry protests from parishioners.

About 20 parishioners holding placards reading "ugly" and "pornographic" protested outside the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament on the weekend.

The sculptures, by Christchurch artist Llew Summers, mark the 14 stations of the cross and were dedicated to celebrate the cathedral's 100th anniversary.

The stations of the cross depict the last hours of Jesus Christ's life.

Parishioner Monica Reedy said there was a groundswell of concerned parishioners who felt the art depicting a naked Jesus was "inappropriate".

"I don't think the committee understands the passion we have as parishioners and as art critics in our own right. We should have been involved (in the decision) step by step." said Reedy. "(The works) look like Neanderthal man."

Modern art was inappropriate in a neo-classical building, Reedy said. She described the new stations of the cross as a sad milestone in the church's history which damaged the essence of the church.

"Can you imagine that they would be allowed to do that in any sophisticated and intact building in Europe?"

Summers, who is not a Catholic, welcomed the protests, saying they encouraged discussion around the artwork.

"There is almost no naked Christs in the world. It's a truth that you are bringing to it," he said.

There was a lot of celebration of the female body, but very little of the male body, he said. "I'm interested in the glorification of humanity, not the evilness of humanity."

Cathedral Trust committee member Professor John Simpson said the committee had carefully considered the selection of Summers for the difficult task of exploring "the drama, the poetry and the absolute pathos" of the last few hours of Christ's life.

It was too soon to condemn the value of the artwork, he said.

"There are bound to be some who are uplifted by the work and some who consider it unworthy. We believed that his understanding of the matter of the passion of Christ was such that we would end up with something unique," Simpson said.

Michelangelo's sculpture of David was attacked and damaged in its early days but now it was considered a great work, he said.

He was upset that people were unhappy with the stations of the cross and would be happy to speak to them about his own understanding of the sculptures.

Christchurch poet Bernadette Hall said the artwork was historically accurate because crucifixion was traditionally reserved for slaves who were stripped to humiliate them.

"They really bring out the humanity of Jesus Christ. For me, personally, it is quite a relief to see the human figure of Christ. It was very brave and extraordinarily honest."

Reedy understood the intention of the artist was to emphasise Christ's naked vulnerability but even so, she said, it was not necessary.

The committee did not consult widely enough within the diocese, she said. "I wonder who they have their mandate from."

Cathedral administrator Monsignor Barry Jones said the protesters were a minority in the parish.

"They (the sculptures) are just so unusual. When I first saw them I did not know what to make of them.

"The more I see them the more they grow on me. I think we need to spend time with them," he said.


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To: Romulus; annalex

I appreciate the effort at a definition ... I still have few "issues" with it, but it will take a bit of time to express precisely.


61 posted on 02/18/2005 12:28:18 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer
About 20 parishioners holding placards reading "ugly" and "pornographic" protested outside the Cathedral of the Blessed Sacrament on the weekend.

Ugly? Yes. Pornographic? Ha ha ha ha. These folks must have seriously twisted minds to think that.
62 posted on 02/18/2005 12:35:20 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Jeff Chandler
The whole lot of them are caught up in secular group-think unbecoming of devout Christians.

Yep.

63 posted on 02/18/2005 1:46:30 PM PST by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: NYer

"There is almost no naked Christs in the world. It's a truth that you are bringing to it," he said.

No truth in his work as Christ was not naked!


64 posted on 02/18/2005 1:56:03 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: NYer

The artist point seemed to be sensationalism to draw attention to himself.

Shame on this church!


65 posted on 02/18/2005 2:01:20 PM PST by dcnd9
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To: Romulus
Hmmm...

It seems to me that, under all the verbiage, you might be saying that the Purpose Of Art is to illustrate the Good, the True, and the Beautiful ... even if the Truth, or Goodness is not necessarily identical with worldly ideas of beauty. Kitsch, then, is art which does not illustrate GTB, or does so in an inadequate or dishonest manner ... as for example illustrating a half-truth.

The excessive realism of later religious art, especially in the West, is spiritually dangerous not just because it's sentimental, but also because it supresses the vertical dimension, the element of mystery.

This claim contradicts your contention that eg the Crucifix should ideally show a totally naked Christ, because that's the way it was. That bit of realism, as you so eloquently demonstrated, conveys a profuound theological Truth ... which is somewhat hidden by a loinclouted Christ. By that logic, a modern photo-realistic naked Christ painting is less "kitschy" than a 1500 year old Icon showing a partially clad Christ.

66 posted on 02/18/2005 2:14:16 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Romulus can speak for himself, but allow me to interject.

Two things need to be borne in mind.

Truth, Goodness and Beauty are Platonic concepts. They have nothing to do with photo- or any other kind- realism. What our eye see is a shadow of truth. A realistic depiction of a shadow is no better than any other. In fact, it could be worse because it allows us to forget to look with the mental eye. The trick is to use visible shadows of art to inform us of the truths outside of the cave.

Second, art is a multifaceted and integral thing. When an artist makes one thing right, and 100 other things wrong, the one right thing does not work. So, for example, getting the clothing (or absence of clothing) right alone does not exhonerate bad art.

Naked Christ depicts the truth of Christ as bridegroom of his Church, one who removes the loincloth of Adam, symbolic of his sin, as well of course as the historical truth of the Roman practices of execution. But if the rest of the picture is wrong, the accuracy of that particular detail does nothing. As some on this thread correctly remarked, if the nudity injects an element of shock, or prurience, or the personality of the artist, then it fails even though it is iconographically correct in theory, or anatomically correct. Vice versa, Christ covered in a loincloth and anatomically distorted or drawn schematically reflects the truth if it opens up the Paschal mystery to the eye of the mind.

Not every bad art is kitsch. Sommers' work, for example, is not kitsch because, evidently, it stirs our mental energies, and evokes an image (of a dead Hobbit, as it is), that is not particularly comforting. To be kitsch a piece of art needs not only to be unwholesome with respect to the truth, but also deceptively sweet, easy to swallow, an event in the cave as opposed to a reflection of light ourtside the cave. Annoying photorealism of 19-century art is not all kitsch, but it is a fertile ground on which kitsch is easily produced, because it bypasses the mind and lets us forget that what we see physically is rarely the truth.


67 posted on 02/18/2005 2:50:14 PM PST by annalex
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To: NYer

Good for him/her.

Have long wondered when someone would have the gonads to depict Christ as He actually was on that horrid yet Majestic day.


68 posted on 02/18/2005 8:39:11 PM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
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To: ArrogantBustard
You may have overlooked the links to the thread where I’ve already discussed this subject at length.

To: Aliska
I am thinking about it. There are lots of passages in the old testament about uncovering someone's nakedness and how it was frowned upon.

Good; you're on the right track. Now think some more. Why is nudity frowned upon? Because after the Fall it's inextricably mixed up with mankind's dis-integrated condition, especially with respect to sexuality. Nakedness in the fallen world thus becomes a condition uniquely appropriate to marriage -- not just because it's more or less necessary, but because it images the trust that should exist between spouses. The fact that nudity's proper context has become nuptial is precisely why it's not inappropriate in a crucifix, so long (as I observed in the stupidly-deleted post that kicked off this sorry display) as both laity and clergy have had a wholesome spiritual formation. As this lamentable thread shows, that formation is rare in the extreme.

62 posted on 03/27/2004 12:15:20 AM CST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: HarleyD
A naked crucifix is disturbing, appalling It pierces us with shame and pity, and makes us want to look away. Not only because of the humiliation and powerlessness of the Crucified, but the plain display of Jesus’s malehood disturbs us profoundly. We don’t like to look at this. The key question is, WHY?

The shame in nakedness is a response to human sinfulness and humanity's disintegrated state after the Fall, in which body and soul are no longer aligned, and the soul itself is at war with itself. None of this applies to Jesus, however. Jesus being perfectly sinless has no need of clothes. His use of clothes in his earthly life was part of his willing subjection of self in all ways -- to his Father, to his parents, to the Law, just as he made himself subject to hunger and fatigue and death. The Lord used clothes is a manifestation of his humility, which, as Cardinal Newman points out, is about as far from the worldly conceit of "modesty" as you can get. The call to clothe Jesus in the artificial and unscriptural way you propose is ultimately an acknowledgment and in some sense a surrender to our sinfulness. Nakedness is a problem only for sinful people, not for the sinless.

We do not like to see Jesus humiliated, but we cannot reject his decision to reveal himself this way without rejecting the event that's central to our redemption.

Before God, we are all naked, and always have been.

87 posted on 03/27/2004 2:53:53 PM CST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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To: Aliska
I understand and sincerely sympathise with the spiritual warfare in which you find yourself. With all respect, I'd like to suggest that if the devil is tempting you with really nasty thoughts about the suffering of the naked Lord, it may be precisely because the devil hates the thought of anyone contemplating His Passion, and thus searches for ways to make it a stumbling block. The devil works by exploiting specific weakness in your spiritual defenses. It's the very nature of the devil to tempt you with lewd thoughts and then to accuse you of sin in entertaining those very thoughts, which you never asked for and do not want. Remember that the word "devil" comes from the Greek word for "slanderer", because he works by accusing us of our sinfulness, hoping to tempt us to despair. Do you remember the demon children in The Passion of the Christ who torment Judas with accusations of being under a curse? That's how the devil seeks to drive man to despair and death.

Go back to Genesis, where the Lord demands of Adam: "Who told you that you were naked?" The answer of course is the devil, who accuses us of our sinfulness and then tempts us to hide from God because of fear -- as if hiding from God were even possible. Recall that in Genesis it's God who even after the Fall goes looking for Man: "Where are you?" Finally, recall the message repeated at the Annunciation, the Nativity, and the Resurrection:

"Be not afraid."

91 posted on 03/27/2004 3:17:22 PM CST by Romulus ("Behold, I make all things new")
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69 posted on 02/19/2005 12:33:07 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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To: BlackVeil
what is it about the news today - nudity and New Zealand in one story after another?

,,, it's representative of the trash we're turning into here under a lesbian, Marxist government. This guy is one of a rare breed. He may be an artist, but he's certainly an opportunist. I've met a number of good artists and few of them have had a business head on their shoulders. This guy knows how to work the room though at $NZ3k a time. He's picked on the wrong person to do a rudie nudie on though. A pox on his house!

In other news, have you seen that our banking system will be regualted by Aussie?

70 posted on 02/20/2005 11:46:53 AM PST by shaggy eel
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To: Romulus
The Naked and the Nude
(Robert Graves)


For me, the naked and the nude
(By lexicographers construed
As synonyms that should express
The same deficiency of dress
Or shelter) stand as wide apart
As love from lies, or truth from art.

Lovers without reproach will gaze
On bodies naked and ablaze;
The Hippocratic eye will see
In nakedness, anatomy;
And naked shines the Goddess when
She mounts her lion among men.

The nude are bold, the nude are sly
To hold each treasonable eye.
While draping by a showman's trick
Their dishabille in rhetoric,
They grin a mock-religious grin
Of scorn at those of naked skin.

The naked, therefore, who compete
Against the nude may know defeat;
Yet when they both together tread
The briary pastures of the dead,
By Gorgons with long whips pursued,
How naked go the sometimes nude!


71 posted on 02/22/2005 7:59:03 AM PST by eastsider
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To: eastsider

LOL!


72 posted on 02/22/2005 9:28:05 AM PST by Romulus (Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?)
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