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Vatican Closer to Condemning Smoking
UPI ^ | 31 December 2004

Posted on 01/01/2005 4:14:04 PM PST by Catholic54321

Vatican City, Vatican City, Dec. 31 (UPI) -- An article in a leading Roman Catholic journal signals that the Vatican may join the public health establishment's crusade against cigarette smoking.

The latest edition of the scholarly publication Civilta Cattolica, published by the Jesuits and approved by a top aide to Pope John Paul II, says smokers cannot damage their own health and that of others "without moral responsibility."

The article by Giuseppe de Rosa stops short of calling smoking a sin, but says lighting up is "not neutral either in social or indeed moral terms."

De Rosa's views, and presumably the Vatican's itself, are a change from the previous -- and rather mild -- position of the Roman Catholic church, as summed up in its 1997 catechism: "The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine."

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1 posted on 01/01/2005 4:14:04 PM PST by Catholic54321
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To: Catholic54321
Huh? I don't smoke, but that's not the point. What business is it of the shepherds of a spiritual flock as to what that person ingests?
2 posted on 01/01/2005 4:18:17 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Catholic54321

Pius X smoked cigars, even as Pope.


3 posted on 01/01/2005 4:22:09 PM PST by sinkspur ("How dare you presume to tell God what He cannot do" God Himself)
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To: Catholic54321
The article by Giuseppe de Rosa stops short of calling smoking a sin, but says lighting up is "not neutral either in social or indeed moral terms."

Just short, it appears.

4 posted on 01/01/2005 4:23:02 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Catholic54321

Perhaps the Pope should get in touch with the Mormons. Why stop at cigarettes?


5 posted on 01/01/2005 4:23:22 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

"Perhaps the Pope should get in touch with the Mormons. Why stop at cigarettes?" I dunno, jumping from celibacy to polygamy might mean some culture shock...LOL


6 posted on 01/01/2005 4:30:34 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Catholic54321
published by the Jesuits and approved by a top aide to Pope John Paul II

In other words, a personal opinion of someone who happens to be Catholic (although you can't be sure with Jesuits) and lives in Italy. Nothing to do with the authoritative teaching of the Catholic Church.

7 posted on 01/01/2005 4:34:29 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: Catholic54321

What's discouraging about this position is that progressive types will embrace this wholeheartedly while still advocating abortion, free sexuality, and moral relativism.

Now if the Vatican just teamed up with PETA and went vegan, then they fill those pews!


8 posted on 01/01/2005 4:35:48 PM PST by Gingersnap
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To: Tax-chick
Nothing to do with the authoritative teaching of the Catholic Church.

Since this supposedly came from a Catholic journal, who's to know who speaks for the Catholic church?

9 posted on 01/01/2005 4:37:18 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Catholic54321

"smokers cannot damage their own health and that of others 'without moral responsibility.'"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't that "second hand smoke" argument been discredited?


10 posted on 01/01/2005 4:37:53 PM PST by SausageDog
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To: aimhigh
The National Review is a political journal. Does it speak for the Bush Administration? Maybe if some unnamed source in the Bush Administration said, "Hey, good idea!" about an article in the National Review ... would that make it government policy?
11 posted on 01/01/2005 4:39:53 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: The Loan Arranger
Well, to be fair, what one ingests kinda is the business of a spiritual leadership, particularly if it is something involving sin.

Whether or not smoking might be considered sinful behavior is up for debate.
12 posted on 01/01/2005 4:43:03 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Tax-chick
The National Review is a political journal. Does it speak for the Bush Administration?

The National Review isn't produced by, or within the goverment or Presidents administration. The Civilta Cattolica, published by the Jesuits, is produced by/within the Catholic church. Are you saying the Jesuits aren't a part of the church?

13 posted on 01/01/2005 4:43:12 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: SausageDog

Indeed it has, Sausage, many times.

However, you will not see those stories in the MSM.

BTW...my Nana died last year, at 102. Smoked for 85 years, then two weeks short of her 103rd birthday, had a massive stroke, lived 4 more days, then passed away.

Now I'm all worried that she's burning in Hell someplace because she lacked "moral responsibility." /sarcasm

Regards,


14 posted on 01/01/2005 4:43:14 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: aimhigh

The Jesuits are no more a part of the "administration" of the Catholic Church than the D.C. Chapter of Free Republic is of the Bush Administration. They're an organization with their own opinions and agenda, which may or may not coincide with official positions of the Holy See, or with Catholic doctrine.

Even if John Paul II himself got on TV and said, "I don't think people should smoke; it's rude, smelly, and unhealthy!" that still wouldn't be anything other than his personal, take-it-or-leave-it opinion.


15 posted on 01/01/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: Catholic54321

"may join " are the key words.


16 posted on 01/01/2005 4:46:38 PM PST by fatima (Don't get too close to the monitor.I have a cold.)
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To: Tax-chick
They're an organization with their own opinions and agenda,

A denomination within a demonination.

17 posted on 01/01/2005 4:52:17 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

That's one way of looking at it ... the Jesuits have always had kind of a peculiar status.

Any organization has subgroups which do not represent the organization as a whole. The media tends to present any dopey statement by any Catholic individual or group as being the teaching of the Church, and that's simply inaccurate.


18 posted on 01/01/2005 4:56:34 PM PST by Tax-chick (To turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just.)
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To: SausageDog

http://reason.com/ogmyt.shtml


19 posted on 01/01/2005 5:09:32 PM PST by The Loan Arranger (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: Conservative til I die
Well, to be fair, what one ingests kinda is the business of a spiritual leadership, particularly if it is something involving sin. Whether or not smoking might be considered sinful behavior is up for debate.

Prove to me it's a sin, using scripture. Till then I'm not buying it, this guy is just another one of those PC types.

If you don't like that I smoke, don't stand near me. I am courteous to try not to stand down wind when I am smoking and stand away from a crowd as do all other smokers I know.

20 posted on 01/01/2005 5:30:04 PM PST by reaganaut ("Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc." - Not just pretty words.)
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