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Why I believe in Creation
Worldnetdaily ^ | today | Joe Farah

Posted on 12/17/2004 2:13:45 PM PST by Rodney King

Bold letters are mine. I believe in Macro creation wtih micro-evolution, if that makes sense. What disturbs me is that this has to be the worst ever editorial in defense of creationism. It is embarassing and Farah is not doing us any favors

Why I believe in Creation

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: December 17, 2004 1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

I was stunned the other day when I asked evolution-believing listeners to my nationally syndicated radio show to call in and tell me why they believed.

"Just give me one reason why you accept the theory," I said. "Just give me the strongest argument. You don't have to give me mountains of evidence. Just tell me why I should accept it."

Not one evolutionist called in. How many listeners do you have? How many of them do you think are not Christians? Maybe that's why none called in.

Meanwhile, the phone banks lit up with dozens of evolution skeptics.

Go figure. For more than 40 years, evolution has been taught as fact in government schools to generations of children, yet there is still widespread skepticism, if not cynicism, about the theory across the country.

But, because of political correctness and the fear of ostracism, most people are afraid to admit what they believe about our origins. That's why I wrote my last column – "I believe in Creation."

The reaction to it has been unprecedented. While I expected mostly negative fallout, most letters have been quite positive. I'm sure that most of the people who take the time to write in are your readers, who are a self-selecting group

So, I decided to take this issue a step further. Since the evolutionists don't want to tell me why they believe in their theory, I figured I would explain why I believe in mine.

The primary reason I believe, of course, is because the Bible tells me so. That's good enough for me, because I haven't found the Bible to be wrong about anything else.OK, fair enough but...

But what about the worldly evidence?

The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.

I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it. I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!

Think of all the world's legends about dragons. Look at those images. What were those folks seeing? They were clearly seeing dinosaurs. You can see them etched in cave drawings. You can see them in ancient literature. You can see them described in the Bible. You can see them in virtually every culture in every corner of the world. This is just silly. Absurd even. 5,000 years from now, should our ancestors assume that we had spider man and klingons simply because they are in our literature? Isn't it perfectly reasonable that a human who found a large tooth would dream up dragons?

Did the human race have a collective common nightmare? Or did these people actually see dragons? I believe they saw dragons – what we now call dinosaurs. Too bad we haven't found any fossils of two headed dinosaurs. The reality is that most of Dragon lore is of beasts that don't look like the dinosaurs that we have uncovered.

Furthermore, many of the dinosaur fossils discovered in various parts of the world were found right along human footprints and remains. How did that happen? I'm not sure i fully beleive him, but I think it makes sense that A. Dinosaurs walked all over the earth. B. Man walked all over the earth later. C. The kinds of conditions that preserve dinosaur remain are also likely to preserve human remains.

And what about the not-so-unusual sightings of contemporary sea monsters? Some of them have actually been captured. What? See monsters have been captured? Where? This is what I'm talking about folks. You can not make claims like this without backup and not think that you are coming off like a total loon.

There are also countless contemporary sightings of what appear to be pterodactyls in Asia and Africa. What? WHAT? Where? When? Says who? FARAH, YOU MUST BACK-UP EXTRAORDIANRY STATEMENTS!

You know what I think? I think we've been sold a bill of goods about the dinosaurs. I don't believe they died off millions and millions of years ago. In fact, I'm not at all convinced they've died off completely. Any bill of good we have been solved was presented in a better manner that your claims that we have captured sea dinosaurs.

Evolutionists have put the cart before the horse. They start out with a theory, then ignore all the facts that contradict the theory. Any observation that might call into question their assumptions is discounted, ridiculed and covered up. That's not science. Maybe, but your pathetic illogic and lack of backing up your incredible statements is worse.

How could all the thousands of historical records of dragons and behemoths throughout mankind's time on earth be ignored? Let's admit it. At least some of these observations and records indicate dinosaurs were walking the earth fairly recently – if not still walking it today. So anything that has been drawn must have once existed? Unicorns? Klingons? The crazy aliens that L. Ron Hubbard wrote about?

If I'm right about that – which I am – then the whole evolutionary house of cards comes tumbling down. Then please, where are these dinosaurs that we have captured and/or are still alive?

This is the evidence about which the evolutionists dare not speak.WHAT EVIDENCE?!


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To: shubi

Huh?


41 posted on 01/23/2005 5:46:13 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Oh, I guess I couldn't tell from your post whether Ulrey was in or not in your text book. Since abiogenesis is not in evolution and not basic to the understanding of biology, it would not be crucial to study it.

It is really more chemistry than biology. However, I remember it being in college texts. I don't think it was mentioned in my HS text, but that was many many years ago, before the nonsense of creationism was a problem.


42 posted on 01/24/2005 4:53:44 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
I don't see how you can label creationism "nonsense" while the jury's still out, so to speak.

In nearly all cases, evolution, once begun is "punctual", with very little evidence of transitional forms. Note the experience of Charles Walcott in 1909 and the Burgess shale. He found an explosion of forms that didn't comport with his theories, so he shelved some 60,000 samples into drawers at the Smithsonian, where he was head, which weren't "rediscoverd" until the mid 1980s.

Note too the case of Stephen Jay Gould who actually changed Darwin's writings to exclude any refernce to God, which Gould evidently found "inconvenient" in his eyes.

Some "scientists", these guys.

I'd like to to suggests the writings of physicist Gerald Schroeder, particularly his The Science of God for some at least healthier, and strenuously wrought "objective" looks into the subject than either Walcott, Gould and a panoply of other "scientists" could evidently entertain.

It seems to me that biogenesis is "crucial" to biology from the standpoint of its underpinnings, rather than just "making-up" some convenient starting point from which to launch into the standard "evolutionist" line.

Best to You and Yours....

43 posted on 01/24/2005 9:42:37 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Rodney King

Macro and micro evolution are the same process. Scientists don't call into programs that spout superstitious nonsense.


44 posted on 01/27/2005 3:49:48 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Safrguns

Like to God a day is as a thousand years?

If you accept young earth creationism, you must reject sanity.


45 posted on 01/27/2005 3:51:20 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: onedoug

"I don't see how you can label creationism "nonsense" while the jury's still out, so to speak."

Science works through a peer reviewed stringent system of observation and analysis. There is not one peer reviewed paper for a "creation scientist/ID" con man in scientific literature.

The jury won't even meet on this one. There is no evidence for creationism except misinterpretation of the Bible.


46 posted on 01/27/2005 3:55:32 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Ping


47 posted on 01/27/2005 3:56:35 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Safrguns

Why are there so few large gaps between the large
classification groups in the fossil record of
vertebrates?

There are no discovered missing links, because once they are discovered they are no longer missing. Science can not show one piece of evidence where anything turned into something else. Besides, how could all this happen in just 6000 years.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahrrrgh


48 posted on 01/27/2005 4:11:43 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Rodney King

Evidence for evolution that wasn't called in:
Introduction:
How do you convince a creationist that a fossil is a transitional fossil? Give up? It is a trick question. You cannot do it. There is no convincing someone who has his mind made up already. But sometimes, it is even worse. Sometimes, when you point out a fossil that falls into the middle of a gap and is a superb morphological and chronological intermediate, you are met with the response: "Well, now you have two gaps where you only had one before! You are losing ground!"

One of the favorite anti-evolutionist challenges to the existence of transitional fossils is the supposed lack of transitional forms in the evolution of the whales. Duane Gish of the Institute for Creation Research (ICR) regularly trots out the "bossie-to-blowhole" transition to ridicule the idea that whales could have evolved from terrestrial, hooved ancestors.


There simply are no transitional forms in the fossil record between the marine mammals and their supposed land mammal ancestors . . . It is quite entertaining, starting with cows, pigs, or buffaloes, to attempt to visualize what the intermediates may have looked life. Starting with a cow, one could even imagine one line of descent which prematurely became extinct, due to what might be called an “udder failure” (Gish 1985: 78-9).

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Conclusion: Taken together, all of this evidence points to only one conclusion - that whales evolved from terrestrial mammals. We have seen that there are nine independent areas of study that provide evidence that whales share a common ancestor with hoofed mammals. The power of evidence from independent areas of study that support the same conclusion makes refutation by special creation scenarios, personal incredulity, the argument from ignorance, or "intelligent design" scenarious entirely unreasonable. The only plausible scientific conclusion is that whales did evolve from terrestrial mammals. So no matter how much anti-evolutionists rant about how impossible it is for land-dwelling, furry mammals to evolve into fully aquatic whales, the evidence itself shouts them down. This is the power of using mutually reinforcing, independent lines of evidence. I hope that it will become a major weapon to strike down groundless anti-evolutionist objections and to support evolutionary thinking in the general public. This is how real science works, and we must emphasize the process of scientific inference as we point out the conclusions that scientists draw from the evidence - that the concordant predictions from independent fields of scientific study confirm the same pattern of whale ancestry.

http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/


49 posted on 01/27/2005 4:28:49 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
The Bible has birds created before land animals. Evolution says otherwise.

The Bible has man formed from the dust of the Earth. Evolution says otherwise.

The Bible says the Sun was created on the 4th day, yet plants were created on the 3rd. How can plants live for a long period of time without the Sun.

The Bible has woman being formed from a man, evolution says otherwise.

Do we even want to start with the fall of man, the issue of a soul, the redemption of Jesus Christ, death coming in to the world through Adam.

Evolution is incompatible with the Scriptures.

JM
50 posted on 01/27/2005 6:15:42 AM PST by JohnnyM
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To: shubi
If you accept young earth creationism, you must reject sanity.

Speak for yourself. I'm perfectly comfortable with the concept that there is a reality which rules over and above the physical realm... even though I'm not capable of observing let alone understanding it.

Also, while science has yet to prove evolution, they have proven that it is possible to fossilize remains in a relatively short period of time. Most of the fossiles you refer to were probably created during Noah's flood.

Finally, the bible does not say that the earth itself is only 6000 years old. Only life as we know it today, beginning with sunlight which was fired up on the first day.
51 posted on 01/27/2005 7:59:57 AM PST by Safrguns (It's Bush's Fault I owe $5.00 to FR!!!)
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To: shubi
Well, until the "creation" of life is understood - which I don't feel will ever be - any thoughtful consideration is potentially interesting.

"Peer review" long argued for a steady state universe where in The Bible it was ever maintained.

And Maimonides argued for the creation of "time" some thousand years before it was accepted "scientifically".

Obeservation, of course, is the modern key. My mind remains open.

52 posted on 01/27/2005 11:18:07 AM PST by onedoug
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To: JohnnyM

"Evolution is incompatible with the Scriptures."

Not the way I read the Bible.


53 posted on 01/27/2005 3:54:18 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Safrguns
s-If you accept young earth creationism, you must reject sanity.

"Speak for yourself. I'm perfectly comfortable with the concept that there is a reality which rules over and above the physical realm... even though I'm not capable of observing let alone understanding it."

I don't accept creationism because I am not capable of observing it or understanding it. I do understand biological science quite well, and also believe that God rules the universe. But I don't have to believe God placed the dino fossils in chronological order, gave us synchronous dating procedures that date them in chronological order back millions of years, just to fool us into thinking the Earth is old and evolution took place.

"Also, while science has yet to prove evolution, they have proven that it is possible to fossilize remains in a relatively short period of time. Most of the fossiles you refer to were probably created during Noah's flood."

Evolution is essentially a fact. The Theory of Evolution "proves" it is a fact to as great an extent as science can. Noah's flood cannot create the fossils. That is the type of ridiculous tripe that is so frustrating. You have been given data and papers that show Noah is a nonstarter, yet you keep coming back with the same nonsense with a straight face. You should have a red face.



"Finally, the bible does not say that the earth itself is only 6000 years old. Only life as we know it today, beginning with sunlight which was fired up on the first day."

Nope, no Sun until the fourth day. You can't follow your own interpretation of the Bible and make any sense of it.

There is no way that all this life formed only 6000 years ago. All you have to do is a little bit of study to disabuse yourself of this, but you won't because you do not want to face the facts.
54 posted on 01/27/2005 4:07:40 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
You sound pretty flustered there shubi.
Why is it so important to you that I accept your version of things? How would it benefit me to believe in evolution?

I read the bible literally, with the understanding that I have to read it in a language that it wasn't written in, so naturally some things will be open to interpretation, and requires a great deal more study.

I don't accept creationism because I am not capable of observing it or understanding it.

I rest my case. Your pride blinds you to the truth.
55 posted on 01/27/2005 4:29:11 PM PST by Safrguns (It's Bush's Fault I owe $5.00 to FR!!!)
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To: Safrguns

I was simply demonstrating that there is nothing but hot air in your arguments. There is no fluster there.

I don't really care if you come off your position, as I have yet to see anyone indoctrinated with the belief that a nonsensical literalist interpretation will get them into Heaven change.

I doubt if a good biology course would change that either.

But for anyone who is viewing our discussion, I must make it clear that you have no scientific evidence for your position and are using rhetorical devices not logic or science to falsly claim you have won an argument that you do not even understand.


56 posted on 01/27/2005 7:14:30 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: onedoug

"My mind remains open."

I think he means his cranium has a crack in it. ;-)


57 posted on 01/27/2005 7:16:17 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: shubi
You are obsessed.


58 posted on 01/27/2005 7:20:49 PM PST by Safrguns (It's Bush's Fault I owe $5.00 to FR!!!)
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To: Safrguns

Pot Kettle


59 posted on 01/27/2005 8:52:46 PM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: Rodney King
I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct!
60 posted on 01/27/2005 9:03:49 PM PST by trumandogz
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