Posted on 12/16/2004 2:50:26 PM PST by telder1
The head of the largest Presbyterian denomination in the United States wrote a letter to President George W. Bush, asking him to take alternate measures in securing the safety of the Iraqi people, on Dec. 10, 2004. Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick’s letter comes at a time of heightened tension for the minority Christians living in the war-torn nation; Churches have been vandalized, looted and burned by terrorists in several instances over the weeks leading up to the first democratic election. “We have been watching with grave concern the chaotic situation in Iraq as it has continued to worsen since you declared last April that the war had ended,” Kirkpatrick, the PC(USA) stated clerk wrote.
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Bush never declared such. Maybe the Head of the Presbyterian Church should instead declare himself to be a lying weasel.
Who cares what he thinks?
Indeed..
Dear Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick...
SHOVE IT!
Kirkpatrick is simply following orders from the leftist bosses at World Council of Churches, National Council of Churches, and World Association of Reformed Churches. Each of the above organizations have a "hate America" and especially a "hate capitalism" mentality. They are determined to tear down the USA in hopes their ideological "poster child" (communism/socialism/marxism) will arise from the trashcan of failed ideologies.
What really infuriates the members of the PCUSA is when Kirkpatrick claims to speak for the entire 2.4 million membership. Kirkpatrick knows full well that many, many members have condemned his anti Iraq war stance.
What happened to separation of church and state when you really need it?
Oh, yeah, it only applies to evangelicals telling the president what to do, not to the lefties.
His bosses? What about the people through whom God pays his salary? We keep hearing that on every issue coming out of the PC(USA)--it's not the people. But infuriation is not enough. If the mass of the people don't want these things, why are they putting up with it(?)--over and over and this has gone on for at least thirty years. Not one issue, or two or three but all of them. The PC(USA) is an issue machine that spews issues and they just keep getting pumped out over and over. It's like the Nashville Presbytery of the PCA. And every time it is the same excuse: "that's not what most of the people think"--and yet they go right on getting worse and worse. Somebody seems to have suddenly burned their particular picture of Dorian Gray. It seems to have gotten a lot worse a lot quicker than usual.
Jeremiah 15:16-21 Thy words were found, and I did eat them, and thy words were unto me the joy and rejoicing of my heart; for I am called by thy name, O Jehovah, God of hosts. I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor exulted: I sat alone because of thy hand; for thou hast filled me with indignation. Why is my pain perpetual, and my wound incurable? It refuseth to be healed. Wilt thou be altogether unto me as a treacherous spring , as waters that fail? Therefore thus saith Jehovah: If thou return, then will I bring thee again, thou shalt stand before me; and if thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth. Let them return unto thee; but return not thou unto them. And I will make thee unto this people a strong brazen wall; and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee, to save thee and to deliver thee, saith Jehovah; yea, I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
***US must Acknowledge Iraq War was “Unwise”, says Presbyterian Head ***
Rather...
"Presbyterian Church must Acknowledge it's War on the Bible as 'Unwise'"
He "must" do no such thing just because the hard left wants him to. It is too early to tell whether Iraq will succeed. Success is a stable, constitutional and at least partially democratic regime.
"The Office of the General Assembly is the ecclesiastical arm of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). Under the leadership of Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick, the OGA staff carries out the directives assigned to the Clerk by the General Assembly, the denomination's highest governing body." (www.pcusa.org)
When will non-Presbyterians figure out that stated clerks are not the heads of Presbyterian denominations? Presbyterian do not have an episcopal form of government, so they don't have a "head" (other than Jesus Christ).
telder1 I am being serious. You should consider joining a PCUSA church. It is a fertile mission field. You would quickly become an elder by simply attending a sunday school class and joining a church committee. Once an elder you could easily influence the other elders to stop sending money to support of the salaries of Kirkpatrick and his ilk.
While I did not join a PCUSA church 6 years ago with the above purpose in mind, the end result was that I was able to lead our church session to totally stop sending money to any denominational entity in the PCUSA. Sometimes it takes but a fresh viewpoint supported by the facts showing how leftist the denomination has become to convince elders to stop their financial support of the denomination.
The problem isn't with non-Presbyterians outside the denomination, it is with non-Presbyterians inside the denomination posing as heads of commitees and representing themselves to be the head. That mis-representation would seem to be a cause for being disciplined immediately. Yet those within the denomination have put up with this for --not ten years or even twenty years,-- but more on the order of a hundred years, one might say before the civil war. That's beside secret and not-so-secret societies within the denomination having pre-General Assembly meetings to decide and put in motion plans and strategies to get their heresy accepted by all and thwart any disention by painting their opposers as 'hateful' and 'not showing the love of Christ', etc.. (The sodomites learned it from the apostate Presbyterians, not the other way around.) Even in the PCA the local members are under the impression that if something is passed on the floor of General Assembly, it must be made policy of the whole denomination. The members have the idea their own church IS functionally heirarchical. (they site court cases in which the secular gov't ruled them as such since they had sued to claim exactly such a thing, in which they stole property that was never theirs on that very basis...)
The liberals and socialists attacked the church first in the very same manner they attacked the nation overall--they lied to get in positions of authority in seminaries first, spread thier lies from within the veil/protection of 'teaching' so as get on commitees second, used the oath the members took to be members against them to force support of their lies, usurped church sessions and courts and besides spewing heresy and not being used of God to genuinely birth real, literal new creations in Jesus Christ, so that now they have no new Christians but are a church filled with 'seekers' and pretenders and influence seekers, (not knowing that there is no such thing as influence becuase there is no such thing as free will) have destroyed the believers among them and the unborn as fast as they could based on the wicked insistence that laws against abortion necessarily thwarted their 'free will'. They are a monster in our midst in their deceptions even though some of them are genuine elect who really don't know themselves and the true sheep among them are afraid of their own shadow. INstead of seeing that God has brought this on them to test them, they seem to automatically assume that God has brought it on them to destroy them--THAT is heresy.
Revelations 2:2-7 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen
It wasn't his loved ones being tortured.
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