Posted on 11/28/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
If you accept monotheism, the belief that there is only one God, you realize that Yahweh, The God of Israel, Abba Father, the God of Jesus Christ and Allah the God of Islam is the SAME God, since there is only one God. Judaism does not have God, Christianity does not have God, Islam does not have God. If the God in whom we believe IS God, then we do not have God. God has us!
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Nope, I'm not giving anyone that easy out. If someone believes it, let them proclaim it for all to see: "Jews are children of the devil". We'll see who is willing to follow the logic of that post all the way to its conclusion.
My apologies, I confused your post with a different post on a different thread I posted on earlier today. Please disregard that part of my reply.
It's a very bad one that DOES NOT speak to the point at all.
You are evading the question. Is there just one God, as I understand Christianity adn most other religions to teach, or are there many gods, as in Paganism?
LOL
It was for good reason that the day the rabbis were forced to translate the Torah into Greek was made a day of fasting and mourning!
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Fr. Brian Harrison, O.S. is no enemy of “The Remnant” publication. It might do some of you people some good to read his article at Catholic Answers entitled:
“Muslims Worship the One True God -Only Their ‘Receiving Apparatus’ Is Defective” By Fr. Brian W. Harrison, O.S.
Also, For anyone really interested in the matter - visit Fr. Joe Horn's at 100% Catholic Forum which points out that "Christians were the first to use this name in this form: ('Bism El-Lah al Rahaman al Rahim' = In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit') to indicate their belief in the Holy Trinity, more than two hundred years before Islam"!
Bro. Ignatius Mary at St Mike's Forum goes further into the matter on "all religions are not as good as another" etc.
*The Bishop was exercising his authority to Teach those within his jurisdiction. In no way is he a heretic.
1. The doctrine of the Trinity
2. Hodgepodge 841 quoted above?
Is Jesus God?
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
The poor Bishop is called a heretic for teaching Christian Doctrine when it comes to the God whom Muslims worship.
Now, you have free will to consider as heretical this Bishop who isn't, but shouldn't you be able to show how it is he is a heretic?
2088 The first commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against faith:
Voluntary doubt about the faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.
2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."
*Shouldn't you, as a Christian,be able to illustrate his denial or obstinate doubt about Christian Doctrine before you judge him a heretic?
For with what judgment you judge, you shall be judged: and with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again.
How does the Church bind anyone to 841? That's like trying to bind someone to Jello.
Of course it's bad, because it doesn't agree with your position.
You are evading the question. Is there just one God, as I understand Christianity adn most other religions to teach, or are there many gods, as in Paganism?
Here is the real question: Do all monotheists, those who say there is only one God, worship the same God?
Apostolic letter of Pope John Paul II
Latin Edition of Catechism Promulgated
It is a cause for great joy that the Latin typical edition of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is being published. It is approved and promulgated by me in this Apostolic Letter and thus becomes the definitive text of the aforementioned Catechism. This is occurring about five years after the Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum of 11 October 1992, which, on the 30th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council accompanied the publication of the first, French-language text of the Catechism.
We have all been able to note with pleasure the broad positive reception and wide dissemination of the Catechism in these years, especially in the particular Churches, which have had it translated into their respective languages, thus making it as accessible as possible to the various linguistic communities of the world. This fact confirms how fitting was the request submitted to me in 1985 by the Extraordinary Assembly of the Synod of Bishops that a catechism or compendium of all Catholic doctrine regarding faith and morals be composed.
Drawn up by the special Commission of Cardinals and Bishops established in 1986, the Catechism was approved and promulgated by me in the aforementioned Apostolic Constitution, which today retains all its validity and timeliness, and finds its definitive achievement in this Latin typical edition.
This edition was prepared by an Interdicasterial Commission which I appointed for this purpose in 1993. Presided over by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, this Commission worked diligently to fulfill the mandate it received. It devoted particular attention to a study of the many suggested changes to the contents of the text, which in these years had come from around the world and from various parts of the ecclesial community.
In this regard one can certainly understand that such a remarkable number of suggested improvements shows the extraordinary interest that the Catechism has raised throughout the world, even among non-Christians, and confirms its purpose of being presented as a full, complete exposition of Catholic doctrine, enabling everyone to know what the Church professes, celebrates, lives and prays in her daily life. At the same time it draws attention to the eager desire of all to make their contribution so that the Christian faith, whose essential and necessary elements are summarized in the Catechism, can be presented to the people of our day in the most suitable way possible. Furthermore, this collaboration, of the various members of the Church will once again achieve what I wrote in the Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum: "The harmony of so many voices truly expresses what could be called the 'symphony' of the faith" (n. 2).
For these reasons too, the Commission seriously considered the suggestions offered, carefully examined them at various levels, and submitted its conclusions for my approval. These conclusions, insofar as they allow for a better expression of the Catechism's contents regarding the deposit of the Catholic faith, or enable certain truths of this faith to be formulated in a way more suited to the requirements of contemporary catechetical instruction, have been approved by me and thus have been incorporated into this Latin typical edition. Therefore it faithfully repeats the doctrinal content which I officially presented to the Church and to the world in December 1992.
With today's promulgation of the Latin typical edition, therefore, the task of composing the Catechism, begun in 1986, is brought to a close and the desire of the aforementioned Extraordinary Synod of Bishops is happily fulfilled. The Church now has at her disposal this new, authoritative exposition of the one and perennial apostolic faith, and it will serve as a "valid and legitimate instrument for ecclesial communion" and as a "sure norm for teaching the faith", as well as a "sure and authentic reference text" for preparing local catechisms (cf. Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum, n. 4).
Catechesis will find in this genuine, systematic presentation of the faith and of Catholic doctrine a totally reliable way to present, with renewed fervor, each and every part of the Christian message to the people of our time. This text will provide every catechist with sound help for communicating the one, perennial deposit of faith within the local Church, while seeking, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to link the wondrous unity of the Christian mystery with the varied needs and conditions of those to whom this message is addressed. All catechetical activity will be able to experience a new, widespread impetus among the People of God, if it can properly use and appreciate this post-conciliar Catechism.
All this seems even more important today with the approach of the third millennium. For an extraordinary commitment to evangelization is urgently needed so that everyone can know and receive the Gospel message and thus grow "to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ" (Eph
4:13). I therefore strongly urge my Venerable Brothers in the Episcopate, for whom the Catechism is primarily intended, to take the excellent opportunity afforded by the promulgation of this Latin edition to intensify their efforts to disseminate the text more widely and to ensure that it is well received as an outstanding gift for the communities entrusted to them, which will thus be able to rediscover the inexhaustible riches of the faith.
Through the harmonious and complementary efforts of all the ranks of the People of God, may this Catechism be known and shared by everyone, so that the unity in faith whose supreme model and origin is found in the Unity of the Trinity may be strengthened and extended to the ends of the earth.
To Mary, Mother of Christ, whose Assumption body and soul into heaven we celebrate today, I entrust these wishes so that they may be brought to fulfillment for the spiritual good of all humanity.
From Castel Gandolfo, 15 August 1997, the nineteenth year of the Pontificate.
How does the Church bind anyone to 841? That's like trying to bind someone to Jello.
*You aren't bound to the truth if you don't want to be.It is all up to you.
You refuse to answer the question.
The Christian answer to this question is no secret. Do a Google search on the Nicene Creed. Please read any of the links that pop up on the first page. For example, here is one that lists both the ancient and more modern versions of this symbol of the faith.
Now, since I have answered your question, could you please answer this one: Do Muslims worhip this same God?
First of all, you really haven't answered the question. You refer me to some external creed (which I have heard many times; I don't need to look it up.) That doesn't directly address teh question.
As to your question, if there is only one God, then who is there to worship BUT the one God? Or do you mean to imply that there is more than one? Because if you say that the God that Muslims worship is not the God that Christians worship, then you are implicitly ssaying that there is more than one God.
"I used to think god was the sun.
God is the sun, but God's so much more
Than the Earth and the stars
And all of creation.
God is Creator,
All in All."
(Ricki Byars Beckwith, RScP, and Rev. Dr. Michael Bexkwith, "Use Me.")
Intersting. So you do worship Allah?
Is there much difference among Allah, Jahweh, Jehovah, Waheguru, Atman, or whomever? Ultimately, God is Love, in every religion.
The creed expresses in words the God that Christians worship. If this is external to your belief or experience, rest assured that you are under no obligation to worship the Holy Trinity.
As to your question, if there is only one God, then who is there to worship BUT the one God?
I cannot speak for you, TBP. You will have to worship in whatever manner you so choose. And you will have to use whatever language best describes your faith and worship. Let me repeat: You are under no obligations or requirement to worship the God of Christianity as described in the Nicene Creed. It obviously means nothing to you, so please continue in the way that pleases you now or that you find most satisfying in your quest for the Divine.
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