Q- In What or who’s traditions are they to stand fast with?
Stubborn- The unwritten traditions of the Apostles. They are no less to be recieved than their Epistles. The Apostles did not deliver all things that were to be believed by writing, but many things by word of mouth only, which have been perpetuated by tradition, and these traditions, no less than the writings of the Apostles, are deserving of faith.
In Matthew 15:1-9, Jesus condemned the Pharisees, and called them hypocrites because they condemned him and his disciples because they ate bread with out washing their hands.
The Pharisees had no come back, because their traditions were not backed by the Old Testament scripture. It’s too bad they didn’t tell him they were unwritten traditions from the founding fathers, because everything that happened since Adam was not written down. Lol
Q- When did they learn them?
Stubborn- Don't know the exact date off hand but I would say it was when some days after Our Lord's Ascension, the Holy Ghost, the Third Person of the most Blessed Trinity, sent down by Jesus triumphant, descended upon the Apostles, as audible as wind, as visible as a dove, to evoke the messages of Christianity from raging tongues of fire, and to make the men who announced it to the world sheer targets for blazing martyrdoms that God will ever remember and the world can never forget.
In other words, you have no idea? Send up some smoke and go on to the next question, huh? :)
Q- Who would have given them the verbal word?
Stubborn- God
Are you saying that God came down and gave the Catholic Church its verbal traditions?
Q- Were the letters Paul wrote to the churches, the epistles he referred to?
Stubborn- Yes. They, along with his verbal teachings and admonitions.
And no one was there who took notes, or wrote it down? It was their little secret just between them and God. SHHHHHhhhh :)
Q- Did Paul mean that they could develop traditions from anyone other then what he preached?
Stubborn- No.
Oh, just those that God gave them at their secret meeting?
Q- Did Paul tell them they could develop traditions from others who preached a different gospel then he did?
Stubborn- No.
Then God must have given them their traditions from Paul’s epistles?
Q- If only Paul preached the true Gospel of Christ to the Gentiles, then isn’t it true that anything that isn’t in his Gospel would be at variance with it, and therefore be accursed?
Stubborn- Yes.
Then if God gave them traditions that weren’t in Paul’s epistles, then is God accursed?
Q- Did Paul mean that anyone who preached from his time on would be fine to make tradition of?
Stubburn No.
Your definitely Stubborn, and I’m certainly confused over what you believe.
Q- If an angle came to you from heaven, and preached a different gospel then what Paul taught, how would you know it was different if you didn’t have his epistle to compare it with?
Stubborn - Because of what I have been taught by word as well as by reading.
What if he told you it was one of those secret traditions God taught while you were gone to the bathroom, and you missed it?
I think it’s much safer to depend on Gods written word. I just can’t picture Him getting angry at me for believing everything He said, but I wouldn’t be that confident if I had to tell Him I ignored his word and followed gossip and hearsay. :)
JH :)
I think it’s much safer to depend on Gods written word. I just can’t picture Him getting angry at me for believing everything He said, but I wouldn’t be that confident if I had to tell Him I ignored his word and followed gossip and hearsay.
You are contradicting Scripture, and the Faith, therefore the Church thet God established here on earth to teach, govern, sanctify and save all men. 2 Timothy 2:2 And the things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses, the same commend to faithful men, who shall be fit to teach others also.
Best advice I have for you is to start praying the Rosary.