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JHavard, you quote Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, Peter, Paul, Augustine etc. etc. I would be more correct to say that you not only mis-quote but also that you are mis-quoting Catholic Saints. Its not "Matthew", it is Saint Matthew, Saint Mark, Saint Luke, Saint John, Saint Timothy, Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint Augustine etc. etc.

Your claim that the Catholic church adopted them is a result of your mis interpretations because the Church willingly invites all into Her fold as adopted children - but where you stumble is in the fact that it is they who have not only adopted the RCC for their own, they did it because they knew that She is the only way to God.

JHavard, you quote Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Timothy, Peter, Paul, Augustine etc. etc. I would be more correct to say that you not only mis-quote but also that you are mis-quoting Catholic Saints. Its not "Matthew", it is Saint Matthew, Saint Mark, Saint Luke, Saint John, Saint Timothy, Saint Peter, Saint Paul and Saint Augustine etc. etc.

All believers are saints, but its up to God to name them such, not men who know nothing about the real heart and soul of the person.

I call the apostles by the same names they called each other in the Bible, of course you don't believe the Bible has the athority to set the example, do you?

Your claim that the Catholic church adopted them is a result of your mis interpretations because the Church willingly invites all into Her fold as adopted children - but where you stumble is in the fact that it is they who have not only adopted the RCC for their own, they did it because they knew that She is the only way to God.

They would never have recognize the church they were a part of just 50 years later. They would never have accepted its horrendous history of murdering other believers, or using forged documents to gain political power, not to mention the sin that's in it now. I guess you just call those warts, don't you? :)

JH :)

I just ran a search, and there in not one reference to a saint in the New Testament by name.

They are referred to as a group, similar to the way they do the church, but not one time do they place a name with the word saint.

I guess it's another one of your traditions, huh? I suppose it does sound better if you add the word saint to a name, especially if your going to pray to him.

JH :)